baseball wrote:without using the shot clock, why is class B a joke and Class A is king??
someone said theyve never seen a game where a team scores over 60...how many games have you seen?
Class B
Central Cass - 62.2 PPG
Lisbon - 67.4 PPG
North Border - 65.3 PPG
Four Winds - 77.4 PPG
Steele-Dawson - 65.2 PPG
Turtle-Lake - 78.2 PPG
Watford City - 74 PPG
Parshall - 73.4 PPG
Dunsieth - 62.6 PPG
Warwick - 79.3 PPG
New Rockford - 73.6 PPG
Class A (in 32 minutes)
Williston - 71.5 PPG (63.5 PPG)
Century - 59 PPG (52.4 PPG)
Minot - 76.2 PPG (67.7 PPG)
Jamestown - 50.5 PPG (44.9 PPG)
Wahpeton - 61.2 PPG (54.4 PPG) (lost to a Class B school)
Valley City - 58.5 PPG (52 PPG)
Dickinson - 71.6 PPG (63.6 PPG)
Few Random D-1 schools (in 32 minutes)
#22 Drake - 73.2 PPG (58.6 PPG)
#23 Xavier - 78.4 PPG (62.7 PPG)
#16 Dayton - 70.9 PPG (56.7 PPG)
#13 Pitt - 76.8 PPG (61.4 PPG)
my point is is that its not the shot clock that makes class B have lower scoring, its the fact that Class A plays 4 more minutes in a game
baseball wrote:im curious as to why none of the "pro-shot clock" posters havent replied yet.....
baseball wrote:go to a class B game and count the number of possesions that last longer then 35 seconds....
how many kids play basketball in the state of north dakota? how many will play college ball? to say get them ready for the next level is not a reason to get a shot clock. shot clock is not needed in class b. look at the ppg totals i posted above..its not the shot clock for the reason class b scores less points (more in some cases too...ie Century, Jamestown, Whap, Valley)
baseball wrote:without using the shot clock, why is class B a joke and Class A is king??
someone said theyve never seen a game where a team scores over 60...how many games have you seen?
Class B
Central Cass - 62.2 PPG
Lisbon - 67.4 PPG
North Border - 65.3 PPG
Four Winds - 77.4 PPG
Steele-Dawson - 65.2 PPG
Turtle-Lake - 78.2 PPG
Watford City - 74 PPG
Parshall - 73.4 PPG
Dunsieth - 62.6 PPG
Warwick - 79.3 PPG
New Rockford - 73.6 PPG
Class A (in 32 minutes)
Williston - 71.5 PPG (63.5 PPG)
Century - 59 PPG (52.4 PPG)
Minot - 76.2 PPG (67.7 PPG)
Jamestown - 50.5 PPG (44.9 PPG)
Wahpeton - 61.2 PPG (54.4 PPG) (lost to a Class B school)
Valley City - 58.5 PPG (52 PPG)
Dickinson - 71.6 PPG (63.6 PPG)
Few Random D-1 schools (in 32 minutes)
#22 Drake - 73.2 PPG (58.6 PPG)
#23 Xavier - 78.4 PPG (62.7 PPG)
#16 Dayton - 70.9 PPG (56.7 PPG)
#13 Pitt - 76.8 PPG (61.4 PPG)
my point is is that its not the shot clock that makes class B have lower scoring, its the fact that Class A plays 4 more minutes in a game
Number7 wrote:I dont have an issued with how many points any team in any class scores concerning the shot clock. The thing I hate to see is at state/regional tournaments a team gets a 5-6 point lead with 6-7 minutes to go and holds it forever. Thats not basketball and does nothing good for the game. During big games, everything is magnified and I think that includes the need for a shot clock.
baseball wrote:Bismarck - 79.6 PPG (70.7 PPG)
Mandan - 68.3 PPG (60.7 PPG)
Fargo South - 73.7 PPG (65.5 PPG)
Fargo North - 74.9 PPG (66.6 PPG)
West Fargo - 70.7 PPG (62.8 PPG)
there is a few of your "top tier" teams of class A and the numbers are the same...its not because Class A is that much better, its because they play 4 minutes more a game. Im not saying they are the same level because that would be stupid, I know Class A teams about better. not because the stars are better, but the role players are better. if youve watched as much class B ball as you say, you would realize that your no game is ever over 60 points was rediculous. i used them B teams because they are the few who update stats on the NDHSAA, also becuase these teams average well above 60 points a game which is a point amount you have never seen in a class B game. and if class A is that much better why doesnt matter who I use, the bottom of Class A is supposed to beat the top of Class B right???
baseball wrote:Number7 wrote:I dont have an issued with how many points any team in any class scores concerning the shot clock. The thing I hate to see is at state/regional tournaments a team gets a 5-6 point lead with 6-7 minutes to go and holds it forever. Thats not basketball and does nothing good for the game. During big games, everything is magnified and I think that includes the need for a shot clock.
which again is can be countered by pressure defense and not just sit back and let them hold it. im not saying get up in his shirt, because like i said before not every class B school has the numbers to do that because that takes alot of energy. but get close enough to get a ref to start a 5 count and make the ball handler make a play.
smart source wrote:baseball wrote:Number7 wrote:I dont have an issued with how many points any team in any class scores concerning the shot clock. The thing I hate to see is at state/regional tournaments a team gets a 5-6 point lead with 6-7 minutes to go and holds it forever. Thats not basketball and does nothing good for the game. During big games, everything is magnified and I think that includes the need for a shot clock.
which again is can be countered by pressure defense and not just sit back and let them hold it. im not saying get up in his shirt, because like i said before not every class B school has the numbers to do that because that takes alot of energy. but get close enough to get a ref to start a 5 count and make the ball handler make a play.
wait a second conditioning has nothing to do with how many athletes you have class a and class b teams generally dress the same amount of kids and idk but ive always been taught since i was young you might not have the talent to be an offensive star but anyone can play defense and be good at it so your it takes to much energy argument is pointless anyone of those class b teams could be in just as good of shape as any class a teams players its just hard work so there you go there is your difference the defense for one thing wouldn't it be harder to score more points with the defense bismarck plays then a 2-3 zone i would think so and as far as you posting the top tier teams ppg did you get the average class a to class b ppg...dont really because i know that would be nearly impossible to do but class a would probably be a bit higher dont you think...and that guy made an even better point with the close at the end of the game and pass the ball around for 20 seconds....to be honest i havnt seen a class b game since last year when i stopped watchin it because there was some tournement in minot where a team was up by 4 with 2 minutes left and the team that was winning help the ball without shooting for i think it was like a minute and twenty seconds...do you think that is fair???
ndlionsfan wrote:Why isn't that fair? The other team could pressure and go for a steal or foul and put them to the line and get the ball back. I just don't get why people make that argument about things not being fair. Life isn't fair. One team is going to be better than the other. One team will win and one will lose. That's how it goes. If that team has worked hard to get that 4 point lead with 2 min left in the game they can do anything they want to to try to keep it. The other team has to adjust and try everything it can to get the ball back, stop them, and score to try to win. That's how bball works. Get used to it.
baseball wrote:Watch the Steele-Dawson girls play and tell me no teams play that type of defense because the shot clock doesnt allow them. granted this whole topic has been aobut boys but if a girls team can do it, i think a guys team can (trinity).
The B teams i mentioned average a combined 70.8 PPG. The A teams average 60.4 PPG in the adjusted 32 minutes. thats 79.6 to 67.9 in favor of class B is the 36 minute game. you also must be one of the guys who thinks if a team holds the ball for more then 25 seconds its stalling. said it before and ill say it again....stalling and patience are not the same thing....stalling is standing with the ball on your hip at the halfline for 40 seconds while the defense just sits back. passing the ball around the court for 40 seconds is not stalling, unless its a 4 corner passing, if it goes along the perimeter all within 25 feet of the hoop...thats patience and looking for a good shot. good teams dont stall, good teams are patient.
smart source wrote:baseball wrote:Watch the Steele-Dawson girls play and tell me no teams play that type of defense because the shot clock doesnt allow them. granted this whole topic has been aobut boys but if a girls team can do it, i think a guys team can (trinity).
The B teams i mentioned average a combined 70.8 PPG. The A teams average 60.4 PPG in the adjusted 32 minutes. thats 79.6 to 67.9 in favor of class B is the 36 minute game. you also must be one of the guys who thinks if a team holds the ball for more then 25 seconds its stalling. said it before and ill say it again....stalling and patience are not the same thing....stalling is standing with the ball on your hip at the halfline for 40 seconds while the defense just sits back. passing the ball around the court for 40 seconds is not stalling, unless its a 4 corner passing, if it goes along the perimeter all within 25 feet of the hoop...thats patience and looking for a good shot. good teams dont stall, good teams are patient.
yea i can read i know the b teams you mentioned i know im saying every single solitary team in the state class a and class b if you found the average of both classes ppg...and your naming one 2 teams in the state if you had to guess do you think that the majority of class b teams run a zone or a man to man d meant to cause turnovers
baseball wrote:smart source wrote:baseball wrote:Watch the Steele-Dawson girls play and tell me no teams play that type of defense because the shot clock doesnt allow them. granted this whole topic has been aobut boys but if a girls team can do it, i think a guys team can (trinity).
The B teams i mentioned average a combined 70.8 PPG. The A teams average 60.4 PPG in the adjusted 32 minutes. thats 79.6 to 67.9 in favor of class B is the 36 minute game. you also must be one of the guys who thinks if a team holds the ball for more then 25 seconds its stalling. said it before and ill say it again....stalling and patience are not the same thing....stalling is standing with the ball on your hip at the halfline for 40 seconds while the defense just sits back. passing the ball around the court for 40 seconds is not stalling, unless its a 4 corner passing, if it goes along the perimeter all within 25 feet of the hoop...thats patience and looking for a good shot. good teams dont stall, good teams are patient.
yea i can read i know the b teams you mentioned i know im saying every single solitary team in the state class a and class b if you found the average of both classes ppg...and your naming one 2 teams in the state if you had to guess do you think that the majority of class b teams run a zone or a man to man d meant to cause turnovers
most teams will run a man to man unless its an extended 1-3-1 or 1-2-2 where they can trap. Zones are mainly used when a team cant match up inside or prevent a team from getting to the rim and to make htem hit outside shots in order to beat you. if your going to try and force a turnover a 2-3 wouldnt be your best bet, man would be....ball pressure + denied passing lanes = turnovers
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