Flip wrote:http://northdakotapreps.com/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=14005
I started a similar thread last year.
Two things I think that would help, but don't foresee happening.
1) move basketball back to the fall - probably a 0% chance
2) have a break between VB and basketball seasons.
maddog1971 wrote:The reason is .... well I don't know. We all have opinions. Coaches either don't run the program for all the kids and flush kids out... They push kids out they don't want to waste their time with. I know one of the top teams in state this year only has 15 kids out for basketball.... 9-12... and they used to run 25-35 kids....
ballernd wrote:maddog1971 wrote:The reason is .... well I don't know. We all have opinions. Coaches either don't run the program for all the kids and flush kids out... They push kids out they don't want to waste their time with. I know one of the top teams in state this year only has 15 kids out for basketball.... 9-12... and they used to run 25-35 kids....
Which team would this be? If it's the team I'm thinking of there are reasons.
Senior class has always been small and has only had a couple of girls out for basketball.
Junior class has numbers and athletic
Sophomore class has a handful that are committed to the sport and the rest stepped aside because of interest.
Freshman class only has had small numbers out for basketball since Junior High.
I love how the blame usually is put on the coaches. Parents/Players have a big part. They aren't happy with roles so the decided to stop playing. If their not starting, it's not good enough.
maddog1971 wrote:Saying Coaches don't have a major part in this is crazy. It is how they run their programs. Like I said... if you run your starting 5 or 6 together all practice and then run a group of the same 5 or 6 girls as the second team... and everyone else just watches... Most of these school have 3 coaches... they should be putting in the same effort with all the players... not just the main 6 or 7 players.
The goal of going out for a team support is to be part of the team. If you are not... well they don't play.
Your statement on the kids not putting in the work is another factor. Not getting asked to participate in summer tournaments or going to those and sitting the whole time. It just tells these kids they are not good enough to play. So they don't.
Granted if I was the coach I would want just 12 players out that are athletic and talented.
maddog1971 wrote:Saying Coaches don't have a major part in this is crazy. It is how they run their programs. Like I said... if you run your starting 5 or 6 together all practice and then run a group of the same 5 or 6 girls as the second team... and everyone else just watches... Most of these school have 3 coaches... they should be putting in the same effort with all the players... not just the main 6 or 7 players.
The goal of going out for a team support is to be part of the team. If you are not... well they don't play.
Your statement on the kids not putting in the work is another factor. Not getting asked to participate in summer tournaments or going to those and sitting the whole time. It just tells these kids they are not good enough to play. So they don't.
Granted if I was the coach I would want just 12 players out that are athletic and talented.
maddog1971 wrote:Saying Coaches don't have a major part in this is crazy. It is how they run their programs. Like I said... if you run your starting 5 or 6 together all practice and then run a group of the same 5 or 6 girls as the second team... and everyone else just watches... Most of these school have 3 coaches... they should be putting in the same effort with all the players... not just the main 6 or 7 players.
maddog1971 wrote:Saying Coaches don't have a major part in this is crazy. It is how they run their programs. Like I said... if you run your starting 5 or 6 together all practice and then run a group of the same 5 or 6 girls as the second team... and everyone else just watches... Most of these school have 3 coaches... they should be putting in the same effort with all the players... not just the main 6 or 7 players.
The goal of going out for a team support is to be part of the team. If you are not... well they don't play.
Your statement on the kids not putting in the work is another factor. Not getting asked to participate in summer tournaments or going to those and sitting the whole time. It just tells these kids they are not good enough to play. So they don't.
Granted if I was the coach I would want just 12 players out that are athletic and talented.
Ustacould wrote:While there are a number of factors I believe girls are sick of being judged. From the moment they leave their house they are being judged on how they look how they dress and so forth. It’s just not worth it to them to put themselves out there anymore.
defensewinsgames wrote:maddog1971 wrote:Saying Coaches don't have a major part in this is crazy. It is how they run their programs. Like I said... if you run your starting 5 or 6 together all practice and then run a group of the same 5 or 6 girls as the second team... and everyone else just watches... Most of these school have 3 coaches... they should be putting in the same effort with all the players... not just the main 6 or 7 players.
The goal of going out for a team support is to be part of the team. If you are not... well they don't play.
Your statement on the kids not putting in the work is another factor. Not getting asked to participate in summer tournaments or going to those and sitting the whole time. It just tells these kids they are not good enough to play. So they don't.
Granted if I was the coach I would want just 12 players out that are athletic and talented.
The more and more I think about it the less and less sense this statement makes to me. Ok so you said the problem is "if you run your starting 5 or 6 together all practice and then run a group of the same 5 or 6 girls as the second team." Your varsity (starting 5 or 6) need to play together because you know...they are the varsity, playing a majority of the minutes, focus of that season is varsity competition, coaches are judged by their varsity record. Then there is a group of 5 or 6 (second team) girls who are usually going to go up against the varisty because you know...they are the next best kids, best chance of challenging the varsity, playing a majority of your JV minutes, giving them an opportunity to earn more minutes on varsity, doesn't make sense to run out the freshmen consistently against seniors. I'm confused how you would think that should be run instead. Should we just pull names from a hat for who plays as the "varsity" that day in practice? Should units never play together and instead just mix all together? How would a coach fix that to make it better in your opinion?
maddog1971 wrote:The coaches that I have respect for is the coach that develops that student to be a better person each day. Build character. Basically none of these kids will be pro's... some will play college.. but I want my kids to become better people... work ethic and responsibility. That is what sports are for.
To build self-worth...
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