heimer wrote:I'm Irish. My St. Patrick's Day will be happy, no matter what.
heimer wrote:A thread of observations from the B, meant only to inspire dialogue, not make you think I'm smarter than anyone (even though....... )
1) If only two players from Shiloh Christian are all-tournament, Caanan Fagerland is the other one. Six 3s last night, and the scoring he did day 1 against Beulah came in big possessions where they needed a basket.
If there's only two, its Young and Fagerland, or Mitzel and Fagerland. Fagerland is one of the two.
Change my mind.
2) Ellendale is in the 7th place game, but they deserve two players on the all-tournament team. Molan and Wagner both deserve to be there. Took the #1 seed to a tight game, took the #5 seed to a tight game. Wagner is only a freshman, and likely won't get a spot, but he deserves one, as does Molan.
Change my mind.
3) Teams that play for regional titles drive to the basket and kick out for 3s.
Teams that make the state tournament take mid-range j's.
Teams that win state tournaments make mid-range j's.
You still have to score from 8 to 15 feet to win big games.
Change my mind.
4) The first round was excellent, and the tournament overall has been very good. The shotclock has improved basketball at the state tournament level of play.
Change my mind.
5) It's time for high school basketball to adopt and embellishment technical. If I see a certain kid throw his head back and flop again, I'm going to throw up.
Change my mind.
RedDirtFan wrote:In response to the individual upset about kids having emotional reactions to calls--you're completely out of line. They're allowed to react, so long as they don't say disrespectful things to the officials or are overly-demonstrative (which they weren't--there wasn't one instance that warranted a technical foul that I saw, so good on the officials for not calling any that I know of). It's a non-issue. Basketball is an incredibly difficult game to officiate, made even more difficult by the subjective interpretations of some rules (block/charge relating to what exactly "legal guarding position" is, for example) and the fact that a non-three pointer possession now most definitely ends in a contested shot at the basket or a turnover, and each will almost always come with at least minimal contact. These guys can either call everything, have kids fouling out, and have games lasting longer than necessary, or they can let the kids play (which they should). The kids will have visible reactions sometimes. Big deal.
Sportsrube wrote:I'll take it one step further - I wish officials would put an end to the theatrics of coaches on the sidelines. If I had a $1 for every time the Thompson Assistant coach threw his hands in the air, palms up while looking at officials last night I could have one very happy St. Patrick's Day!
ndlionsfan wrote:Do they give out sportsmanship banners from the state tournament anymore? I know we have a few hanging in our gym, but there was one year we went to state and did not receive one and that's kind of embarrassing to me. I know they used to be announced on finals night along with the other awards. It was based on reactions of players on the court and bench, how coaches handled themselves on the sidelines, and how the fans displayed sportsmanship from the stands. I was at the games last night and thought one team's fans were ridiculous arguing nearly every call. I also agree with some players that put their hands up after every foul called on them and got tired of seeing it.
BISONFAN18 wrote:I don't think a new rule (technical for embellishment) will accomplish much. 1.) officials will be reluctant to call it. 2.)officials could clean it up by just talking to players and coaches if they chose. The politics of basketball is real. Things are much easier to let people slide and stay popular.
It is already a T for "faking being fouled". I have only seen it called once. It was a block/charge situation where the defender threw himself 5 feet backwards onto the floor without being contacted by the offense. The official actually laughed a little and gave the whistle and T signal.
Abbykate wrote:What I saw at this tournament was embarassing!! The way the privates fans and players were treated was hostile at times. These kids worked just as hard as any other players at the tourney. The fans were there to cheer on their teams. I know. People "hate" the privates I get it, but these are just kids and they have no control over what class they play in. Come on North Dakota we can do better than this.
The Schwab wrote:I will say this in response to the private school situation:
I, like most people, take issue with private schools being in class B. However, last night I was very disappointed in the crowd when 55 from Shiloh fouled out. If the student sections want to cheer because a kids out of the game, that’s fine. If his teams section wants to cheer, it’s not as fine but I can live with it. When the entire rest of the gym made up of adults starts going crazy because a player who plays for a private school fouls out, we owe that young man better. He finished his career with a very impressive state tournament run and the last thing he hears is a crowd full of adults, who should know better, mocking him and waving goodbye in a taunting manner.
If you want to holler at an official, they’re adults, they can handle it. If you want to holler at a coach, they’re adults they can handle it. Please remember that the players are high school kids. On behalf of ND basketball I would like to apologize to Mr. Young, we can do better and you played one heck of a tournament.
heimer wrote:Abbykate wrote:What I saw at this tournament was embarassing!! The way the privates fans and players were treated was hostile at times. These kids worked just as hard as any other players at the tourney. The fans were there to cheer on their teams. I know. People "hate" the privates I get it, but these are just kids and they have no control over what class they play in. Come on North Dakota we can do better than this.[/quote
Three things:
1) none of the athletes should be treated poorly. They are kids, and they likely had nothing to do with the current political affairs of high school sports.
2) that being said, get used to it. Until we see change, its gonna happen. The state tournament is the only arena where fans can show their displeasure and the NDHSAA has to listen.
3) if its really bad, I'm sure, if you moved up, you would inherit an entire arena of fans in that first round matchup with Davies or Century.
heimer wrote:Abbykate, I agree that kids should not be treated badly.
I also agree with The Schwab.
My question is: are you going to do something about this? You have come here and voiced your concern. Perhaps it's time to also voice it with the administration at the private school you may be affiliated with (if you are affiliated with one).
Those adminiatrators are part of the problem. They are putting those kids in a bad position with the current system. I have not heard of a single private school administrator working toward a three-class system. They like their trips to state.
I'll make no excuses for how kids are treated. The athletes deserve nothing of the sort. Maybe its time the private schools take a more active role in improving the experiences of their athletes. That's a part of the job they are not doing.
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