3sportfan wrote:I thought Shiloh still being in the poll was a little off after back to back losses and one by 27 to an unranked team. four loss teams in the poll with so many quality 2-3 loss teams not in the poll.
hoophoophoop wrote:How does Richland have votes one week, beat #2 team and the next week don't get votes? Just curios
lamontcranston wrote:hoophoophoop wrote:How does Richland have votes one week, beat #2 team and the next week don't get votes? Just curios
There is only one plausible explanation. First off, you can't assume they received multiple votes. What if they were picked by a single voter, and that voter did not vote this time around?
Run4Fun2009 wrote:FINAL POLL
Monday, February 20th
1. Four Winds-Minnewaukan (13) 18-1 156
2. St. John (2) 19-0 128
3. Dickinson Trinity 18-2 117
4. Solen 17-1 104
5. Hillsboro-Central Valley (1) 16-3 103
6. Linton-HMB 17-2 80
7. Thompson 16-4 66
8. Oak Grove 15-4 46
9. Beulah 17-3 29
10. Bishop Ryan 17-2 18
Others Receiving Votes: Shiloh Christian (14-5), Northern Cass (16-4), Kenmare (17-2), Richland (15-4), Carrington (16-3), Des Lacs-Burlington (15-4).
ReadyToPlay wrote:What happened to North Star in vote getting? Saw them play Grafton at Grafton the other night and the game was dominated from the tip off by NS and they won by 30. Hillsboro-Central Valley did the same thing to Grafton a week or so before in which I witnessed both. NS is neck and neck, if not a slight edge better than HCV, in which HCV finishes #5 in last poll. I guess the polls just go by record because NS is in a dog eat dog region....
ReadyToPlay wrote:What happened to North Star in vote getting? Saw them play Grafton at Grafton the other night and the game was dominated from the tip off by NS and they won by 30. Hillsboro-Central Valley did the same thing to Grafton a week or so before in which I witnessed both. NS is neck and neck, if not a slight edge better than HCV, in which HCV finishes #5 in last poll. I guess the polls just go by record because NS is in a dog eat dog region....
Run4Fun2009 wrote:FINAL POLL
Monday, February 20th
1. Four Winds-Minnewaukan (13) 18-1 156
2. St. John (2) 19-0 128
3. Dickinson Trinity 18-2 117
4. Solen 17-1 104
5. Hillsboro-Central Valley (1) 16-3 103
6. Linton-HMB 17-2 80
7. Thompson 16-4 66
8. Oak Grove 15-4 46
9. Beulah 17-3 29
10. Bishop Ryan 17-2 18
Others Receiving Votes: Shiloh Christian (14-5), Northern Cass (16-4), Kenmare (17-2), Richland (15-4), Carrington (16-3), Des Lacs-Burlington (15-4).
Flip wrote:If St. John wins region 4 are they a slam dunk #1 seed?
Run4Fun2009 wrote:ReadyToPlay wrote:What happened to North Star in vote getting? Saw them play Grafton at Grafton the other night and the game was dominated from the tip off by NS and they won by 30. Hillsboro-Central Valley did the same thing to Grafton a week or so before in which I witnessed both. NS is neck and neck, if not a slight edge better than HCV, in which HCV finishes #5 in last poll. I guess the polls just go by record because NS is in a dog eat dog region....
North Star lost 2 in a row to quality teams but still losses and I'm sure that's what dropped them from the polls.
2/7 - lost 62-78 to St. John (ranked at time)
2/14 - lost 59-70 to Des Lacs-Burlington (non-ranked team)
Seen both teams play this year...H-CV is a better team; if you are going to compare via scores..then let's use 1 GOOD, common opponent: Four Winds-Minnewaukan
Four Winds-Minnewaukan def. North Star 70-43
Hillsboro-Central Valley def. Four Winds-Minnewaukan 68-63
Both of these games were played within a week of each other also.
Bison-Vikes #1 wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:ReadyToPlay wrote:What happened to North Star in vote getting? Saw them play Grafton at Grafton the other night and the game was dominated from the tip off by NS and they won by 30. Hillsboro-Central Valley did the same thing to Grafton a week or so before in which I witnessed both. NS is neck and neck, if not a slight edge better than HCV, in which HCV finishes #5 in last poll. I guess the polls just go by record because NS is in a dog eat dog region....
North Star lost 2 in a row to quality teams but still losses and I'm sure that's what dropped them from the polls.
2/7 - lost 62-78 to St. John (ranked at time)
2/14 - lost 59-70 to Des Lacs-Burlington (non-ranked team)
Seen both teams play this year...H-CV is a better team; if you are going to compare via scores..then let's use 1 GOOD, common opponent: Four Winds-Minnewaukan
Four Winds-Minnewaukan def. North Star 70-43
Hillsboro-Central Valley def. Four Winds-Minnewaukan 68-63
Both of these games were played within a week of each other also.
Let's see, where should I begin with this one?
1. The statement "then let's use 1 GOOD common opponent:" That is quite a statement. Since the original poster compared the two teams to Grafton, I would say you just stuff off a lot of Grafton fans. Let me tell you something, if I were H-CV or Thompson or anybody else in Region 2, I would not want to play Grafton in the Regional tournament. Because guess what, they are a GOOD team.
2. What makes your opinion any better than the original posters opinion? Oh, that's right, you "seen both teams play". Well, it seems the original poster "seen" both teams play too and he had his own opinion. But of course, your's is so much better. Please do tell me which games you have seen these teams play and how many times.
3. Let's see, comparing North Star playing FW-M in the Devils Lake Sports Center to FW-M playing in Hillsboro. Hmm, yes, that's a real good comparison. You bring any team across the state to play FW-M in the sports center and lets see how that works for them.
4. I too have seen these teams play. Many times. Over many years. And guess what, North Star is just as good as H-CV. North Star has had some big wins and some tough losses. They lost to St. John. There wasn't a team in ND who would have beaten St. John that evening. 10-12 from 3 point line in first half. Shot over 70% for the game. They are a very good team and undefeated for a reason.
5. I have read all your little jabs against North Star over the years. Guess what, I really don't care. But it must really bother you that a little school, with what, 28 boys in high school, could actually have a good basketball team. When North Star is playing good bb, they can beat anybody. When they are playing bad, they will get beat by quality teams. Kind of like the rest of the state this year. Put that in your ranking formula.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:
Wow settle down...just gave my opinion. Those two losses are where NS fell out of the poll, which we know is meaningless just like any ranking formula...all of it is for fun and comparison!
No jab at Grafton...I just used a different team to compare...and my use of 'good' was directed at FWM and not a slight to any others
What jabs on North Star over the years? This comment has me confused...
Bison-Vikes #1 wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:ReadyToPlay wrote:What happened to North Star in vote getting? Saw them play Grafton at Grafton the other night and the game was dominated from the tip off by NS and they won by 30. Hillsboro-Central Valley did the same thing to Grafton a week or so before in which I witnessed both. NS is neck and neck, if not a slight edge better than HCV, in which HCV finishes #5 in last poll. I guess the polls just go by record because NS is in a dog eat dog region....
North Star lost 2 in a row to quality teams but still losses and I'm sure that's what dropped them from the polls.
2/7 - lost 62-78 to St. John (ranked at time)
2/14 - lost 59-70 to Des Lacs-Burlington (non-ranked team)
Seen both teams play this year...H-CV is a better team; if you are going to compare via scores..then let's use 1 GOOD, common opponent: Four Winds-Minnewaukan
Four Winds-Minnewaukan def. North Star 70-43
Hillsboro-Central Valley def. Four Winds-Minnewaukan 68-63
Both of these games were played within a week of each other also.
Let's see, where should I begin with this one?
1. The statement "then let's use 1 GOOD common opponent:" That is quite a statement. Since the original poster compared the two teams to Grafton, I would say you just stuff off a lot of Grafton fans. Let me tell you something, if I were H-CV or Thompson or anybody else in Region 2, I would not want to play Grafton in the Regional tournament. Because guess what, they are a GOOD team.
2. What makes your opinion any better than the original posters opinion? Oh, that's right, you "seen both teams play". Well, it seems the original poster "seen" both teams play too and he had his own opinion. But of course, your's is so much better. Please do tell me which games you have seen these teams play and how many times.
3. Let's see, comparing North Star playing FW-M in the Devils Lake Sports Center to FW-M playing in Hillsboro. Hmm, yes, that's a real good comparison. You bring any team across the state to play FW-M in the sports center and lets see how that works for them.
4. I too have seen these teams play. Many times. Over many years. And guess what, North Star is just as good as H-CV. North Star has had some big wins and some tough losses. They lost to St. John. There wasn't a team in ND who would have beaten St. John that evening. 10-12 from 3 point line in first half. Shot over 70% for the game. They are a very good team and undefeated for a reason.
5. I have read all your little jabs against North Star over the years. Guess what, I really don't care. But it must really bother you that a little school, with what, 28 boys in high school, could actually have a good basketball team. When North Star is playing good bb, they can beat anybody. When they are playing bad, they will get beat by quality teams. Kind of like the rest of the state this year. Put that in your ranking formula.
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