heimer wrote:In North Dakota, its possible to play up a class, take the automatic bottom seed in your region, and qualify for the state tournament that you are classed in.
I can't think of a scenario that more accurately illustrates all of the great "points" that our B-loving friends claim to worship:
Work as hard as you can
Play hard all the time
Reward the players that work in the offseason
Championships mean more than records
Team goals mean more than individual goals
Strangely, no one does it. Weird.
I guess going 28-0, etching your name in the history books, and setting individual records really does mean more than state titles. That, along with protecting the lie.
heimer wrote:Whatever, Balla. Enforce your rules. You clearly are not interested in engaging in an honest debate about problems facing high school athletics.
I saw some scores from teams in the east last night. Thompson and PR-FL both won "blowout" games last night, and neither team scored 60 points. That's playing the game with class and dignity.
If this board isn't for this specific conversation, then all the board is for is a worthless session of B-shot patting themselves on the back for how wonderful the game, and their contributions to it, are. It's all about how great it is that one kid will have a successful Division I basketball career, and how great all of the record holders are.
Basketball has major problems. It has problems with enrollment disparities, competitiveness, lack of commitment, lack of participation, coaching issues, and more. The only discussion any of these elements get, outside of me airing them out on this board, happens in a closed-door meeting away from the scrutiny of the taxpayer that pays the bill.
None of you liked that atmosphere of solving problems when the enrollment cutoff number was moved to 400, allowing Valley City to move to Class B. But apparently that is the only acceptable place to air those comments.
All I ask is that, when you finally ban me, delete all of my posts also. I wouldn't want your board to gain any readers because of what I bring to the conversation unless the conversation can include strong opinions and a realistic attitude toward the game. If your little pity party out west is disrupted by strong opinions, then please don't profit from any of them.
I hear from a couple of mods in person that this board can be pretty dead till I show up. Despite a strong disagreement with my viewpoints, it apparently inspires conversation. But you and Flip want to ban me so you can censor the conversation to fit your narrative. That shows some real guts.
Go ahead, do your worst.
heimer wrote:They scored less than 60 points.
They didn't score 66.
They didn't score 85.
I never advocate letting a team score for mercy. You can't control whether they have shooters that can hit shots anyway. But you can control how your offense plays, and you can play zone.
It really isn't that hard.
Thompson and Park River showed how to control a game. Park River called the press off and didn't score 60. Thompson didn't score 60. Watford city scored 85, and you want to make this an apples to apples comparison.
Weak.
And Nudell can break the record or not, but it's worth more that programs survive than her finding her name on a wall. She's been starting since 7th grade, and I'm assuming the person whose record she's attempting break (BTW, who is that? Schneekloth? Just wondering) didn't start in seventh grade. Anyone playing today that breaks a record should have an asterisk by it anyway. Girls basketball isn't even close to what it used to be.
Minot Ryan best ever last year? Katie Richards beats that team with Cari Burchill and three pick-up players. Best my a$$. It's amazing how much hype basketball fans in North Dakota will buy into.
The Schwab wrote:Not going to disagree with you that the competition was probably better when she played, plus she played on an undefeated State Championship team. I would however wager that she was part of some blowouts. It would be interesting to see if she put up big numbers in those games.
heimer wrote:Minot Ryan would have been favored against DII teams?
Minot Ryan wouldn't have beaten any college at the NAIA level or higher.
The only reason I don't say any college team is because of the Trinity Bible Colleges out there.
Let's call Minot Ryan what they were: a good B team that got thumped by the A state champ on a neutral floor.
That loss to Shanley is very inconvenient for the narrative of a team that literally had Jesus Christ playing four positions and Stewart playing the other one.
leroybla wrote:heimer wrote:Minot Ryan would have been favored against DII teams?
Minot Ryan wouldn't have beaten any college at the NAIA level or higher.
The only reason I don't say any college team is because of the Trinity Bible Colleges out there.
Let's call Minot Ryan what they were: a good B team that got thumped by the A state champ on a neutral floor.
That loss to Shanley is very inconvenient for the narrative of a team that literally had Jesus Christ playing four positions and Stewart playing the other one.
How is Stewart doing this year? Redshirt?
Hinsa wrote:I really think the teams of the 80s would compete extremely well with the top teams of today. The overall quality of play was better, which forced the top teams to be better and tougher to survive the regular season and tournament grind.
There are exceptions every year now that could be better players than the stars of the 80s, but overall, the play was superior in the 80s. I'd like to see Riley Nudell square off against Nadine Schmidt of Braddock. Schmidt was as physically strong as anyone who plays the game today. Shooting range? The Schwab sisters of Esmond had no limits on how far out they were. Overall play? Whitney Meier of Rolla was as good as anyone you could put on the floor now. Big girls scoring in the paint? Sherri Kleinsasser of Carrington, Janelle Nelson of Hillsboro, Emily Shilhanek of Washburn. A competitor that would never quit? Beth Ihry of Hope. Point guard play? Pat Smykowski of Lidgerwood was as smooth as silk and could put points up in BIG bunches.
I'd put up any of the 80s state champs against any of the 2010s champs and I think the 80s would win more than half. Minot Ryan is the only one of the 2010s that would be a prohibitive favorite, but then they would have been favored against most DII college teams.
heimer wrote:They want to recruit them, they just want them for free.
Preferred walk on status is a joke.
NDSU and UND both believe that ND kids will just end up there because they are the premier universities in the state.
Kids know when they deserve a scholarship. They should play DII or NAIA and get paid rather than walk on for free.
Hinsa wrote:I'd put up any of the 80s state champs against any of the 2010s champs and I think the 80s would win more than half. Minot Ryan is the only one of the 2010s that would be a prohibitive favorite, but then they would have been favored against most DII college teams.
heimer wrote:They want to recruit them, they just want them for free.
Preferred walk on status is a joke.
NDSU and UND both believe that ND kids will just end up there because they are the premier universities in the state.
Kids know when they deserve a scholarship. They should play DII or NAIA and get paid rather than walk on for free.
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