luvmy3gbb1wr wrote:yeah, but try having a 400 person school in your district b/c they want VC to "compete" aka win.......why not 3 classes? ND had it for awhile in the 40s and 50s and omg they went to a two class system and the B is still surviving that terrible manuever.
ndlionsfan wrote:Yes, the landscape is changing with declining enrollments and teams cooping, but that is also happening in all these other states. Now, I am not one for watering our current system down but it almost has to be done. It will eventually happen, either in the 2010 season or soon after. What I would like to see if it does happen....
digger wrote: couple of comments: Let's not base what we do on other states. I've never been much of a follower, we have intelligent, dedicated people in ND, we can think for ourselves. Talk to various groups in SD and see how their system works for them? Sure, that's following the process, getting your ducks in a row. But group think can lead to poor decisions.
Why does this "almost have to be done"? I get the sense that this is the equivalent of politicians telling us something over and over so that at some point it is accepted as truth. If this "necessary" change is brought up time and again, more and more people will accept the "truth" that a change is necessary. I'd like the NDHSAA to clearly outline why this is necessary. Last night on a newsclip, Sherm Sylling listed three factors in why this is being promoted: 1) overlapping seasons, 2) discrepancy in parity of play, 3) venue issues surrounding regional tournaments. 1 & 3 are administrative issues; plan and work through them; 2 is largely subjective and anecdotal. Give me facts. Are teams now really getting beat downs more regularly than they did in the 70's 80's 90's? Is this "discrepancy" so bad that it demands a fix? My guess is that what has changed is how certain segments of our population view "fairness" and "equal" as it relates to our youth.
I don't offer up a solution. Why? I see no clear evidence that there is a problem that needs to be fixed. Move Valley City into Region 1 to play against larger schools and voila, "problem" solved. They would probably best fit there. I would bet that Kindred, Central Cass, Oak Grove, Lisbon, etc. wouldn't mind creating a rivalry with the Hi-liners.
ndlionsfan wrote:In SD, there are 172 bball teams with three divisions (17 in 2A, 64 in A, and 91 in B)
In MT there are 170 bball teams with 4 divisions (14, 24, 43, 100)
In WY there are 70 bball teams with 4 divisions (12, 16, 20, 22)
In ND we have 138 bball teams with 2 divisions (18, 120)
Yes, the landscape is changing with declining enrollments and teams cooping, but that is also happening in all these other states. Now, I am not one for watering our current system down but it almost has to be done. It will eventually happen, either in the 2010 season or soon after. What I would like to see if it does happen....
1) Only one state tournament.....we don't need 3 different champions. I say have a 16 team tourney for boys and girls with 4 teams advancing from each of the top divisions and 8 from the lowest division. Then crown 1 champion only.....yes 9 times out of 10 a now class A school would probably win, but think of all the David vs Goliath matchups you could have and the excitement it would bring to a tourney. A team like Max playing against Minot High....you'd have 10,000 cheering for Max and 500 for Minot.
2) Put an enrollment cap on co-ops.....if your enrollment drops below 50 in high school, then you can co-op with someone. If you don't have enough participation numbers to field 2-3 squads and you're over 50, big deal just field a varsity and play. If people are trying to justify having 3 schools to even things out, then they better go back to competing with their own high school team and have some pride in their community/school. If not, consolidate your schools into one and field a team....that's what the legislature and NDHSAA board seems to be pushing for anyway.
digger wrote:Why does this "almost have to be done"? I get the sense that this is the equivalent of politicians telling us something over and over so that at some point it is accepted as truth. If this "necessary" change is brought up time and again, more and more people will accept the "truth" that a change is necessary. I'd like the NDHSAA to clearly outline why this is necessary. Last night on a newsclip, Sherm Sylling listed three factors in why this is being promoted: 1) overlapping seasons, 2) discrepancy in parity of play, 3) venue issues surrounding regional tournaments.
scc wrote:larrybird33 wrote:How many versions of the same plan have to be voted down before we're done with this?
That's why they're talking about three divisions, not three classes. That will be the NDHSAA's way of getting around this issue. The schools voted it down, but that won't stop the board from having it their way. The meetings and surveys in the upcoming months will have no bearing on their decision. Their minds are already made up. Why else would they throw this idea at us again? It was a bad idea before, and it's still a bad idea today. Get ready for the new three "division" system because it's coming.
scruffy wrote:luvmy3gbb1wr wrote:yeah, but try having a 400 person school in your district b/c they want VC to "compete" aka win.......why not 3 classes? ND had it for awhile in the 40s and 50s and omg they went to a two class system and the B is still surviving that terrible manuever.
and why do you think they scrapped the three class system 40 years ago??????? Think about it!!!!! Although tough for the human race, we can learn from the past!!
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