nativegolfer wrote:I don't know if this to hot of a topic but I want other peoples opinion about Bush's war. personally, I think this war has been a disaster and it's time we cut our losses and the heck out of there. The situation just keeps getting worse. How egotistical are we to think we can change the culture in Iraq. Before some one calls me unpatriotic let me say this: I support the troops 100%. They are doing what they are told which is what makes our military the best in the world. It's the leaders who put them there in the first place that I have the problem with. As far as I'm concerned, Dubya has the blood of over 3000 US soldiers on his hands. He and his war will go down as one if not the biggest blunder in US history.
I think instead of rushing into Iraq we should have tried harder at Bin Laden for what he did on 9/11. He's out there on the loose making who knows what kind of plans to strike again and he still hasen't payed for the lives of the people he killed.baseball wrote:either your a history buff or u did alot of research haha. but i think he means the war is terrible because some of the troops probably dont even know what they are fighting for. I thought the war on terror was on Bin Laden, not Saddam. and since they were in Iraq to get Saddam, which they did, why are they still there?
rumbles wrote:I think instead of rushing into Iraq we should have tried harder at Bin Laden for what he did on 9/11. He's out there on the loose making who knows what kind of plans to strike again and he still hasen't payed for the lives of the people he killed.baseball wrote:either your a history buff or u did alot of research haha. but i think he means the war is terrible because some of the troops probably dont even know what they are fighting for. I thought the war on terror was on Bin Laden, not Saddam. and since they were in Iraq to get Saddam, which they did, why are they still there?
baseball wrote:rumbles wrote:I think instead of rushing into Iraq we should have tried harder at Bin Laden for what he did on 9/11. He's out there on the loose making who knows what kind of plans to strike again and he still hasen't payed for the lives of the people he killed.baseball wrote:either your a history buff or u did alot of research haha. but i think he means the war is terrible because some of the troops probably dont even know what they are fighting for. I thought the war on terror was on Bin Laden, not Saddam. and since they were in Iraq to get Saddam, which they did, why are they still there?
Exactly.....doesnt make any sense
NDSportsFan wrote: I would love to see the US pull all it's troops out because it's so agonizing hearing about the daily casualties. But on the other hand, I know that the last thing we need is another government in that area hostile to the US. I just wish that there was some hope of training the Iraqi military to defend the new government, but it doesn't look likely. Another Vietnam-like exit strategy.
baller01 wrote:NDSportsFan wrote: I would love to see the US pull all it's troops out because it's so agonizing hearing about the daily casualties. But on the other hand, I know that the last thing we need is another government in that area hostile to the US. I just wish that there was some hope of training the Iraqi military to defend the new government, but it doesn't look likely. Another Vietnam-like exit strategy.
Do you expect to be in a war and not have casualties? It is war. Of course there are going to be casualties.
I'm tired of this cowbay attitude of "we can't leave until the job is done". It's not going to get done because these terrorists aren't going to give up. One dies and another takes thier place. And these poor national guards. To me the name implies they help the U.S. in times of national crisis. Why are they being sent over seas? I just don't understand it!baseball wrote:baller01 wrote:NDSportsFan wrote: I would love to see the US pull all it's troops out because it's so agonizing hearing about the daily casualties. But on the other hand, I know that the last thing we need is another government in that area hostile to the US. I just wish that there was some hope of training the Iraqi military to defend the new government, but it doesn't look likely. Another Vietnam-like exit strategy.
Do you expect to be in a war and not have casualties? It is war. Of course there are going to be casualties.
i think its just weird how they all end up dead, car bombs, suicide missions. Ive always thought war was a stategic thing to attack the opponents in bulks, and not one suicidal person blowing up his car as he drives by a group of 6 Americans.
Wild Wolves wrote:Defeatist attitudes rarely result in a better situation.
If we are never going to win, you might as well become Muslim.
This country is not at war in the same sense as WWi or WWII. What have we given up how have we sacrificed as a society.
Ming01 wrote:A lot of people have an obscured view on this war. I blame the media for all of this. I am not saying we should be there, but the majority of the media leans to the left so of course we're going to hear everyday about the casualities and how we should leave. They only tend to point out the bad things and fail to mention any of the good. The media fails to mention anything about us helping the children and other ppl over there, by helping build new buildings (a lot of schools) and aiding them with shelter, food, and clothing. For example the Iraqi Burn Clinic.
The fact is, we hear all this b.s. about the war from ppl who don't even want us to win over there. David Letterman for example. It's a load of crap.
rez01 wrote:Ming01 wrote:A lot of people have an obscured view on this war. I blame the media for all of this. I am not saying we should be there, but the majority of the media leans to the left so of course we're going to hear everyday about the casualities and how we should leave. They only tend to point out the bad things and fail to mention any of the good. The media fails to mention anything about us helping the children and other ppl over there, by helping build new buildings (a lot of schools) and aiding them with shelter, food, and clothing. For example the Iraqi Burn Clinic.
The fact is, we hear all this b.s. about the war from ppl who don't even want us to win over there. David Letterman for example. It's a load of crap.
That's good and all, but we could be doing that here in the US without having our soldiers/friends/family die. Just my .02.
You know it's all fine and good that we are helping the "poor" Iraqi's but how many people in the world are worse off than the Iraqi's? Most of the people in the world live in poverty. Heck there's a signifigant number of americans who live in poverty. Why aren't we occupying every poor country and "making it better?" Maybe the press is skewing the war coverage one way but the government is not telling alot of things about this war to the american people. Why are the desertion rates and suicide rates so high for our soldiers. Those are facts that the feds don't want us to know. One of my former students got back from Iraq a few months ago and he said the moral in his unit sucked! Just because one soldier comes out with the gung ho attitude that we have to finish the job doesn't mean that all of the troops feel that way.Ming01 wrote:A lot of people have an obscured view on this war. I blame the media for all of this. I am not saying we should be there, but the majority of the media leans to the left so of course we're going to hear everyday about the casualities and how we should leave. They only tend to point out the bad things and fail to mention any of the good. The media fails to mention anything about us helping the children and other ppl over there, by helping build new buildings (a lot of schools) and aiding them with shelter, food, and clothing. For example the Iraqi Burn Clinic.
The fact is, we hear all this b.s. about the war from ppl who don't even want us to win over there. David Letterman for example. It's a load of crap.
Wild Wolves wrote:And just becasue one came back and said moral sucked doesn't mena they all thought that.
Keep arm chair QBing, I am sure when it is all over we will all be absolutely correct in our assumptions about the war.
People went without sugar, gas, meat, etc.. during WWII. What have you gone without? I live just as I did prior to 9/11. I often feel guilt over this. Having done little to help in our country's efforts.
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