Flip wrote:Interesting topic.
I coached my first bit of travel ball this spring, including the Grand Am and never witnessed anything as horrific as previously described. The worst thing I witnessed was watching a 5th grade girls game a team was ahead by 17 points with less than one minute left and pressing. When I saw this I pulled out the rules to see if that was even within the rules because most tournaments have rules forbidding stuff like that. Sure enough the rules said you could press as long as the game was within 20 points. We ended up playing that team. Their two coaches complained about every call and once there was 2 minutes left they started pressing us. They had a 7 point lead and ended up winning by 13, including a buzzer beater 3 pointer that I'm sure their coaches just loved.
maddog1971 wrote:So I was at the Grand Am this weekend and it was the first time I have not coached a team in many years.
I was sitting n the crowd. All I can say is there was not a game that I was not mortified by the parents in the crowds. Yelling at officials, yelling at their own kid to shoot, or mad about how another kid was playing. Talking to other kids on other teams.... yelling during free throws....I watched the Championship game of the 5th Grade boys.... Winn. crowd was horrible. Jumping out of their seats, cheering and yelling at the other team when a mistake was made. A kid got fouled and had a chance to tie the game. the crowd was yelling and screaming for him to miss... then he did and they went crazy.
I was a Catholic School group of parents that yelled travel or 3 seconds or carry or in the middle of foul shot right when the kid was shooting..... Rebound ... box out.... LOUD. Two guys swore at the official saying that is a _____ _____ travel. What the H _ _ _ . Do your Job....
Parents in the stands yelling at each other.... challenging them to go outside and fight.... really?
I understand some of this stuff at the high school level or a state tournament but not of 7-14 old kids.
Bison-Vikes #1 wrote:Many fair points have been brought up. I will play the "parent's advocate."
1. These tournaments are expensive (travel, hotel, food, entry, etc.), is it too much to ask that the refs hustle to keep up with plays? Many times 2 refs are officiating these games and they never leave the ends of the court.
2. Most parents are there to watch their kids/team play. Not to watch half court shots or attempted dunks during dead balls.
3. Refs are suppose to keep their whistle in their mouth so an infraction can be whistled shortly after the infraction, not 5 seconds later when they finally find their whistle and the kid has no idea what happened.
4. If the teams are not there on time, they generally have to forfeit. Why should teams have to wait for officials time and time again?
5. The games are about the kids, not the refs. Be consistent and enthusiastic about being there and you would be surprised about how many of these complaints upthread would go away.
6. Know the rules of the tournament. Pressing, timeouts, etc. This will save a lot of problems.
Just having a little fun. Use to be a parent that got on the refs a little. It's something we grow out of. The bigger problem is the mob mentality. One parent starts and then more join in. I learned to go sit alone just to enjoy the game. Also helps when you know the rules as a parent. Strongly urge parents to spend some time learning/studying up to date rule books.
Sportsrube wrote:Bisonfan18 - you are so right on AAU ball. I have had two D2 coaches tell me how much they hate AAU ball. They go to the tournaments for recruiting purposes, but they both said they spend the 1st half of the players freshman season "unteaching" the bad habits they learn from AAU ball or teaching them fundamentals they never learned. My son went to individual and team camps run by both of these coaches and they really couldn't say much positive about AAU ball other than it gets you noticed by college coaches.
The Schwab wrote:From the stance of unprofessional referees: Yes they should be held accountable and work hard. Parents/Kids pay a lot of money to attend travel tournaments, therefore, they should have the pleasure of working with professional people.
winner-within wrote:I've reffed many games, I've coached in the Grand am multiple times.......it is not hard to tell when a ref is leaning towards a team...I didn't do that...but thats basketball, that is literally part of basketball, always has been always will be, but I think it has escalated as of late, simply because of 1,000 tournaments outside of school ball, hence, "Its an officials world"...its like this year had Cavalier won the game vs Grafton opening night of Regions they would have played HCV in the semi's...which team would have had the lean towards them?? I'm totally fine with it..... there is nothing one can do anyways...defending champs? they have a familiar name on team? rich heritage in Class B Bball from AD to Coach to fans? .........It does Suk when a player doesn't even care if they move on knowing whats in store with the Officials though (was expressed)....I remember those days too! but I still gave it my all!....it make you a better person if you do...adversity never hurt anybody unless you let it...in life and in sports....
the disgruntle fan/parent thing?....may favorite is when one hollers about a call and then the other teams fan/parent hollers about another call and the one that hollered about the call gets mad at the one that just hollered about the call.....is there a definition for that scenario?...
winner-within wrote:I've reffed many games, I've coached in the Grand am multiple times.......it is not hard to tell when a ref is leaning towards a team...I didn't do that...but thats basketball, that is literally part of basketball, always has been always will be, but I think it has escalated as of late, simply because of 1,000 tournaments outside of school ball, hence, "Its an officials world"...its like this year had Cavalier won the game vs Grafton opening night of Regions they would have played HCV in the semi's...which team would have had the lean towards them?? I'm totally fine with it..... there is nothing one can do anyways...defending champs? they have a familiar name on team? rich heritage in Class B Bball from AD to Coach to fans? .........It does Suk when a player doesn't even care if they move on knowing whats in store with the Officials though (was expressed)....I remember those days too! but I still gave it my all!....it make you a better person if you do...adversity never hurt anybody unless you let it...in life and in sports....
the disgruntle fan/parent thing?....may favorite is when one hollers about a call and then the other teams fan/parent hollers about another call and the one that hollered about the call gets mad at the one that just hollered about the call.....is there a definition for that scenario?...
Flying Wallenda wrote:winner-within wrote:I've reffed many games, I've coached in the Grand am multiple times.......it is not hard to tell when a ref is leaning towards a team...I didn't do that...but thats basketball, that is literally part of basketball, always has been always will be, but I think it has escalated as of late, simply because of 1,000 tournaments outside of school ball, hence, "Its an officials world"...its like this year had Cavalier won the game vs Grafton opening night of Regions they would have played HCV in the semi's...which team would have had the lean towards them?? I'm totally fine with it..... there is nothing one can do anyways...defending champs? they have a familiar name on team? rich heritage in Class B Bball from AD to Coach to fans? .........It does Suk when a player doesn't even care if they move on knowing whats in store with the Officials though (was expressed)....I remember those days too! but I still gave it my all!....it make you a better person if you do...adversity never hurt anybody unless you let it...in life and in sports....
the disgruntle fan/parent thing?....may favorite is when one hollers about a call and then the other teams fan/parent hollers about another call and the one that hollered about the call gets mad at the one that just hollered about the call.....is there a definition for that scenario?...
Wow - unreal.
winner-within wrote:Flying Wallenda wrote:winner-within wrote:I've reffed many games, I've coached in the Grand am multiple times.......it is not hard to tell when a ref is leaning towards a team...I didn't do that...but thats basketball, that is literally part of basketball, always has been always will be, but I think it has escalated as of late, simply because of 1,000 tournaments outside of school ball, hence, "Its an officials world"...its like this year had Cavalier won the game vs Grafton opening night of Regions they would have played HCV in the semi's...which team would have had the lean towards them?? I'm totally fine with it..... there is nothing one can do anyways...defending champs? they have a familiar name on team? rich heritage in Class B Bball from AD to Coach to fans? .........It does Suk when a player doesn't even care if they move on knowing whats in store with the Officials though (was expressed)....I remember those days too! but I still gave it my all!....it make you a better person if you do...adversity never hurt anybody unless you let it...in life and in sports....
the disgruntle fan/parent thing?....may favorite is when one hollers about a call and then the other teams fan/parent hollers about another call and the one that hollered about the call gets mad at the one that just hollered about the call.....is there a definition for that scenario?...
Wow - unreal.
you like that one?
Flying Wallenda wrote:winner-within wrote:Flying Wallenda wrote:winner-within wrote:I've reffed many games, I've coached in the Grand am multiple times.......it is not hard to tell when a ref is leaning towards a team...I didn't do that...but thats basketball, that is literally part of basketball, always has been always will be, but I think it has escalated as of late, simply because of 1,000 tournaments outside of school ball, hence, "Its an officials world"...its like this year had Cavalier won the game vs Grafton opening night of Regions they would have played HCV in the semi's...which team would have had the lean towards them?? I'm totally fine with it..... there is nothing one can do anyways...defending champs? they have a familiar name on team? rich heritage in Class B Bball from AD to Coach to fans? .........It does Suk when a player doesn't even care if they move on knowing whats in store with the Officials though (was expressed)....I remember those days too! but I still gave it my all!....it make you a better person if you do...adversity never hurt anybody unless you let it...in life and in sports....
the disgruntle fan/parent thing?....may favorite is when one hollers about a call and then the other teams fan/parent hollers about another call and the one that hollered about the call gets mad at the one that just hollered about the call.....is there a definition for that scenario?...
Wow - unreal.
you like that one?
No
Flying Wallenda wrote:Wow - unreal.
Flip wrote:Flying Wallenda wrote:Wow - unreal.
The short version. "Refs are dishonest people that cheat kids. Not me though, I was fair."
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