The Schwab wrote:You hit the nail on the head. If it’s something you’ve practiced it’s a weapon. Sometimes in those situations adrenaline takes over and you can end up fouling a jump shooter or worse
Bisonguy06 wrote:I’ll change the conversation slightly.
Is it wise to use up your fouls to give?
I think purposely committing a foul is an unnatural act, and the younger the kids, the sloppier the results. I’ve seen a variety of bad outcomes.
In this case, Trenton’s best player was coached to commit her fourth foul in a two point game.
I think highly of Coach Turcotte. Coaches, players and refs all make mistakes. I’m asking about the strategy. In the end, I’m ok with it IF this is something they’ve practiced.
What do you guys think?
Flip wrote:Bisonguy06 wrote:I’ll change the conversation slightly.
Is it wise to use up your fouls to give?
I think purposely committing a foul is an unnatural act, and the younger the kids, the sloppier the results. I’ve seen a variety of bad outcomes.
In this case, Trenton’s best player was coached to commit her fourth foul in a two point game.
I think highly of Coach Turcotte. Coaches, players and refs all make mistakes. I’m asking about the strategy. In the end, I’m ok with it IF this is something they’ve practiced.
What do you guys think?
They still fouled too soon, but I think they had 2 fouls to give. You need to practice how to foul on purpose.
Trenton made a mistake at the end of OT too. I think there was around 40 seconds left, Trenton ball, down 3 and they were in a TO. Trenton had no plan on what to do if they didn't score. They needed to foul right away and they let way too much time come off the clock.
The Schwab wrote:Article C of the intentional foul rule:
Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or the player specifically designed to stop the clock or keep it from starting.
Whether you agree or not, it wasn’t a legitimate play on the ball, therefore should be called an intentional foul. I don’t care how much time is left. If it’s a foul in the first quarter it needs to be one in the fourth.
madseason wrote:Rugby is the first team with Seniors. They know this is the last time they will play. And IT SHOWS!
The Schwab wrote:Article C of the intentional foul rule:
Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or the player specifically designed to stop the clock or keep it from starting.
Whether you agree or not, it wasn’t a legitimate play on the ball, therefore should be called an intentional foul. I don’t care how much time is left. If it’s a foul in the first quarter it needs to be one in the fourth.
heimer wrote:Alright, my turn.
1) quit yer bitc#!ng about driving to Grand Forks. We have a big state. Get used to it. Not every part of our state is pasture land and pheasant hunting. I respect those things, but the state is the state.
The tournaments are spread because there are some communities that take on revenue-losing tournaments/meets, so they are guaranteed something that generates revenue. Having the girls tournament in Grand forks is a good way to get them back for hosting golf, or fine arts, or soccer, things that do not generate revenue.
I drove to Hettinger in 1997 for a blind date in a Chevy Celebrity. True story. Not a big deal. Enjoy Grand Forks.
2) it's pretty clear to me we just couldn't have a repeat of state volleyball, with an all-east semifinal. So, we found a couple of schools with big records to seed, and forced Kindred, Langdon, and Thompson into the same bracket, probably to negate that whole "wah wah wah Thompson just played in that arena no fair no fair no fair wah wah wah" crap that was going on from the moment the tournament change was announced. The best five teams in the tournament are (in no order) Kindred, Langdon, Thompson, Kidder County, and then pick em. Record is not enough to use for seeding purposes if teams play much tougher schedules than their colleagues.
There was a team at state volleyball that absolutely didn't belong there, and there is at least one team at state basketball that doesn't belong there. What this tournament has done is tell schools to stop playing meaningful games in the regular season, run your record up, and get what you can. That's a setback for the game.
3) The Betty was awesome yesterday, far more entertaining than the same crowd at the Dome or the Alerus. I'm looking forward to tonight.
heimer wrote:Alright, my turn.
1) quit yer bitc#!ng about driving to Grand Forks. We have a big state. Get used to it. Not every part of our state is pasture land and pheasant hunting. I respect those things, but the state is the state.
The tournaments are spread because there are some communities that take on revenue-losing tournaments/meets, so they are guaranteed something that generates revenue. Having the girls tournament in Grand forks is a good way to get them back for hosting golf, or fine arts, or soccer, things that do not generate revenue.
I drove to Hettinger in 1997 for a blind date in a Chevy Celebrity. True story. Not a big deal. Enjoy Grand Forks.
2) it's pretty clear to me we just couldn't have a repeat of state volleyball, with an all-east semifinal. So, we found a couple of schools with big records to seed, and forced Kindred, Langdon, and Thompson into the same bracket, probably to negate that whole "wah wah wah Thompson just played in that arena no fair no fair no fair wah wah wah" crap that was going on from the moment the tournament change was announced. The best five teams in the tournament are (in no order) Kindred, Langdon, Thompson, Kidder County, and then pick em. Record is not enough to use for seeding purposes if teams play much tougher schedules than their colleagues.
There was a team at state volleyball that absolutely didn't belong there, and there is at least one team at state basketball that doesn't belong there. What this tournament has done is tell schools to stop playing meaningful games in the regular season, run your record up, and get what you can. That's a setback for the game.
3) The Betty was awesome yesterday, far more entertaining than the same crowd at the Dome or the Alerus. I'm looking forward to tonight.
senditin wrote:Flip wrote:sportsfan111 wrote:Curious why did Langdon need an Edmore co-op more than Lakota?
I don't have any inside information, but logic tells me Edmore wanted out of the Lakota co-op. Landgon gladly took them.
Lakota need girls. I think they had 1 girl play in JH.
Basically, there wasnt enough talent at Lakota for the Ronnigen/ Freijie parents so they broke the coop. Then they hired Scheer, who happened to have a talented daughter. Its all about "my kid winning at all costs." Karma is a B. Also, not hard to see Ronnigen fouling out at state. She's allowed to get away with alot in R4.
theman wrote:
Using QRF rankings, the 9 teams in the top 10 other than Trenton are an average driving time of 4.5 hours from Trenton, in GOOD weather. There are only 2 teams in the top 10 within 3 hours of Trenton, and one of them (Rugby) they defeated in the regular season. What exactly is it that Trenton was supposed to do this year (other than win every game and tournament and beat one of the only top 10 teams within 3 hours of home) to not "setback" the game for you?
heimer wrote:theman wrote:
Using QRF rankings, the 9 teams in the top 10 other than Trenton are an average driving time of 4.5 hours from Trenton, in GOOD weather. There are only 2 teams in the top 10 within 3 hours of Trenton, and one of them (Rugby) they defeated in the regular season. What exactly is it that Trenton was supposed to do this year (other than win every game and tournament and beat one of the only top 10 teams within 3 hours of home) to not "setback" the game for you?
Not get the #4 seed.
classB4ever wrote:The Schwab wrote:Article C of the intentional foul rule:
Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or the player specifically designed to stop the clock or keep it from starting.
Whether you agree or not, it wasn’t a legitimate play on the ball, therefore should be called an intentional foul. I don’t care how much time is left. If it’s a foul in the first quarter it needs to be one in the fourth.
1. Have always respected your opinion on here.
2. Have absolutely no emotional ties to either team. Heck, I picked H-S and won money on the game.
3. We could sit down over a beer, rewind it 10 times and you will give me 5 reasons why it was intentional and I will give you 5 why it wasn't. I will stand by my original post that it was an absolute terrible call.
4. As you stated above, "I don’t care how much time is left. If it’s a foul in the first quarter it needs to be one in the fourth." It should have been called in the first and it should have been called a foul in the 4th, just not intentional.
heimer wrote:Alright, my turn.
1) quit yer bitc#!ng about driving to Grand Forks. We have a big state. Get used to it. Not every part of our state is pasture land and pheasant hunting. I respect those things, but the state is the state.
The tournaments are spread because there are some communities that take on revenue-losing tournaments/meets, so they are guaranteed something that generates revenue. Having the girls tournament in Grand forks is a good way to get them back for hosting golf, or fine arts, or soccer, things that do not generate revenue.
I drove to Hettinger in 1997 for a blind date in a Chevy Celebrity. True story. Not a big deal. Enjoy Grand Forks.
2) it's pretty clear to me we just couldn't have a repeat of state volleyball, with an all-east semifinal. So, we found a couple of schools with big records to seed, and forced Kindred, Langdon, and Thompson into the same bracket, probably to negate that whole "wah wah wah Thompson just played in that arena no fair no fair no fair wah wah wah" crap that was going on from the moment the tournament change was announced. The best five teams in the tournament are (in no order) Kindred, Langdon, Thompson, Kidder County, and then pick em. Record is not enough to use for seeding purposes if teams play much tougher schedules than their colleagues.
There was a team at state volleyball that absolutely didn't belong there, and there is at least one team at state basketball that doesn't belong there. What this tournament has done is tell schools to stop playing meaningful games in the regular season, run your record up, and get what you can. That's a setback for the game.
3) The Betty was awesome yesterday, far more entertaining than the same crowd at the Dome or the Alerus. I'm looking forward to tonight.
packers21 wrote:Heimer is just blowing smoke out the rear again, there are 6 teams in this tournament who had arguments for the seeds. Coaches seed the team and we have no idea what system they individually used. If Kindred or Thompson want to play a tough regular season schedule, tonight is the night that it will pay off for them, it doesn't work for everyone.
Flip wrote:classB4ever wrote:Do not care who wins. But the intentional foul called on Trenton was the worst call I have ever witnessed in 45 years of watching basketball. That ref should be ashamed of himself. Foul is fine. Intentional? Good Lord. They had the lead. Embarrassing.
I'd love to see that again. I won't say the official's name because that's what he wants. He's always been a hot shot, always try to get people to look at him.
UNDSiouxfan wrote:Couple points:
First of all, officials are human. Many people on this board have probably officiated in the past, and nobody's perfect. An official might make a tough call once in a while, which I believe happened in this case. I do believe it was a foul, (even though the H/S girl tripped) but it shouldn't have warranted an intentional foul call. In the end, the Trenton coach handled it with class when discussing it with his players. To me, that is a huge lesson to be learned in all of this.
Second, I really believe the winner of Kindred/Thompson is going to be tough to beat in the championship game. I'll take the winner of Kindred/Thompson in the championship by 15 points, maybe 20.
Third, I can't wait to see if Abby Duchscherer from Kindred gets First team All State as a Freshman. I don't know if there's a better player that I've seen in class B Girls.
Fourth, seeing the only private school in the State Tourney struggle is delightful. This year's field was one regional championship away from a true small town Class B tournament, just like the old days.
Last, I really enjoy reading comments on here once in a while. Heimer's "true story" about going on a date to Hettinger in 1997 gave me a good chuckle.
heimer wrote:packers21 wrote:Heimer is just blowing smoke out the rear again, there are 6 teams in this tournament who had arguments for the seeds. Coaches seed the team and we have no idea what system they individually used. If Kindred or Thompson want to play a tough regular season schedule, tonight is the night that it will pay off for them, it doesn't work for everyone.
It already worked out for Trenton and Hettinger-Scranton......to not play one.
So, there's that.
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