redbeard23 wrote:I know Thompson has never been but my buddy told me he thinks there are about five teams total that have never been.
Does anyone know for sure how many teams haven't been to the state tourney?
Run4Fun2009 wrote:redbeard23 wrote:I know Thompson has never been but my buddy told me he thinks there are about five teams total that have never been.
Does anyone know for sure how many teams haven't been to the state tourney?
Are we asking of the current Class B teams..or before coops started, etc.?
redbeard23 wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:redbeard23 wrote:I know Thompson has never been but my buddy told me he thinks there are about five teams total that have never been.
Does anyone know for sure how many teams haven't been to the state tourney?
Are we asking of the current Class B teams..or before coops started, etc.?
Current Class B teams
B-oldtimer wrote:I was looking at region 4 members it looks to me from thread past state champions that Warwick has never been to state tournament. All the rest in region 4 have been to state unless you count new coops formed but coop members have been to state. Region 2 Thompson hasn't gone to state tournament and several of the coops haven't gone but at least one of the participants of coops have gone on their own. If you went back in history there were lots of schools that didn't make it to state tournament. By the time you get back to 70's it was difficult to make the state tournament because of the numbers of schools and until late 70's all the tournaments were you had to win to advance to get to next level. I can remember where you had district tournaments where some districts had nine teams so you had just play in game to get into 8 man districts which were single elimination tournaments. Then regionals were 4 team tournament which you had to win. Also there was no seating in the regional tournaments just set up by rotation of districts playing each other. I can remember several times teams that were highly rated in the state didn't even make it out their districts like Langdon just before they went Class A they were rated number one in the state got beat in the district tournament.
B Historian wrote:These schools have never been to state in any form:
Thompson
Tioga
Solen
Velva
Nedrose
South Prairie
These schools have never been to the Class B tournament but have played in the Class C tournament:
Maple Valley (Oriska, Tower City and Buffalo have all participated. Tower City also won the single class tournament in 1915)
Alexander
North Shore (Makoti in Class C)
White Shield has never been to state but this school basically mirrors Elbowoods, which participated in several state tournaments prior to be flooded by the Garrison Dam.
Neither school in the Burke Central/Bowbells coop has been to the State B. However, Columbus and Portal both played in the Class B tournament prior to consolidating with Burke Central. Bowbells played in three single class state tournaments in the 20's.
B-oldtimer wrote:I was looking at region 4 members it looks to me from thread past state champions that Warwick has never been to state tournament. All the rest in region 4 have been to state unless you count new coops formed but coop members have been to state. Region 2 Thompson hasn't gone to state tournament and several of the coops haven't gone but at least one of the participants of coops have gone on their own. If you went back in history there were lots of schools that didn't make it to state tournament. By the time you get back to 70's it was difficult to make the state tournament because of the numbers of schools and until late 70's all the tournaments were you had to win to advance to get to next level. I can remember where you had district tournaments where some districts had nine teams so you had just play in game to get into 8 man districts which were single elimination tournaments. Then regionals were 4 team tournament which you had to win. Also there was no seating in the regional tournaments just set up by rotation of districts playing each other. I can remember several times teams that were highly rated in the state didn't even make it out their districts like Langdon just before they went Class A they were rated number one in the state got beat in the district tournament.
ndlionsfan wrote:B Historian wrote:These schools have never been to state in any form:
Thompson
Tioga
Solen
Velva
Nedrose
South Prairie
These schools have never been to the Class B tournament but have played in the Class C tournament:
Maple Valley (Oriska, Tower City and Buffalo have all participated. Tower City also won the single class tournament in 1915)
Alexander
North Shore (Makoti in Class C)
White Shield has never been to state but this school basically mirrors Elbowoods, which participated in several state tournaments prior to be flooded by the Garrison Dam.
Neither school in the Burke Central/Bowbells coop has been to the State B. However, Columbus and Portal both played in the Class B tournament prior to consolidating with Burke Central. Bowbells played in three single class state tournaments in the 20's.
Surprised Velva has never made it. Hard to answer a question like this with all the schools cooped now or closed schools that have been absorbed by others. For instance, Finley-Sharon-Hope-Page. Don't believe Finley ever made it, but Sharon did before it closed in the 70s. Also, not sure if Hope ever went, but Page had a few good teams that went to state.
B-oldtimer wrote:I was mistaken on Warwick I should have looked at teams past the 80's I thought I new who had gone since then. I guess I am getting old and don't remember like I used too. I also wanted to add to B historian facts that number of the class b schools today are former class A schools. Also on Langdon that is right they lost to Nekoma in 1970 but they also were highly rated in 1969 when they lost to Edmore. Both years they were low scoring games with teams in high 20's to low 30's scores. I remember being at the games as small kid how packed the gym was and how loud the games were. That Langdon and Edmore and Nekoma all worked the ball for maximum ball possession high percentage shot because falling behind by couple of possessions was the like today being down 10 to 12 points. Making up possessions in those days was hard because team like Langdon had with large front line if they got up on you the likely hood was they wouldn't take shot unless pretty much had layup from their front line people. Also in that day if you fouled there was a free throw awarded on the first foul and after 5 you got one and one. This could be advantage for getting ball possession but it also could put you down couple of possessions if you failed to score yourself after the foul. The game was different then more tactical game especially from class b powers of the time like Ed Byers teams of Hillsboro where they wanted control tempo and possession of the game.
ndlionsfan wrote:Surprised Velva has never made it. Hard to answer a question like this with all the schools cooped now or closed schools that have been absorbed by others. For instance, Finley-Sharon-Hope-Page. Don't believe Finley ever made it, but Sharon did before it closed in the 70s. Also, not sure if Hope ever went, but Page had a few good teams that went to state.
winner-within wrote:In 1974 there were 241 Class B teams.
In 1984 there were 211 Class B teams.
In 1994 there were 159 Class B teams.
In 2004 there were 139 Class B teams.
In 2014 there were 107 Class B teams.
when I look at this, (and I appreciate all your history B-Historian, its fun to read)....
I see where, IMO, 3 classes should have never left the format of ND Basketball....it would have enhanced Girls Ball even more than Boys I would say....sadly, all decisions in the Public School system are based on Time and Money...so once gone? very seldom does anything come back....
personally I think its to late for 3 classes even with things halting, because the halt is temporary and in 8 years it could look like this
In 2027 there are 95 Class B teams. (stab in the dark, but I bet I'm close) I don't know the answer to the Parochial School dominance but that is inevitable....it will not surprise me that education takes even more drastic changes as technology advances, to where in 50 years the Public School thing is dwindling immensely....
also there are teams the "have never been to the" Regional tourn I would bet
winner-within wrote:In 1974 there were 241 Class B teams.
In 1984 there were 211 Class B teams.
In 1994 there were 159 Class B teams.
In 2004 there were 139 Class B teams.
In 2014 there were 107 Class B teams.
when I look at this, (and I appreciate all your history B-Historian, its fun to read)....
I see where, IMO, 3 classes should have never left the format of ND Basketball....it would have enhanced Girls Ball even more than Boys I would say....sadly, all decisions in the Public School system are based on Time and Money...so once gone? very seldom does anything come back....
personally I think its to late for 3 classes even with things halting, because the halt is temporary and in 8 years it could look like this
In 2027 there are 95 Class B teams. (stab in the dark, but I bet I'm close) I don't know the answer to the Parochial School dominance but that is inevitable....it will not surprise me that education takes even more drastic changes as technology advances, to where in 50 years the Public School thing is dwindling immensely....
also there are teams the "have never been to the" Regional tourn I would bet
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