ndlionsfan wrote:Surprised FWM didn't get more first place votes, but there's a lot of season left. Should be fun to watch Thompson/HCV play twice as well as FWM playing each of those teams. Have to give all three teams a lot of credit for putting together schedules against a lot of tough competition
Run4Fun2009 wrote:FIFTH POLL
Monday, January 7th
1. Thompson (18) 8-0 189
2. Four Winds-Minnewaukan (1) 8-0 172
3. Rugby 7-0 149
4. Hillsboro-Central Valley 5-1 130
5. Richland 5-1 100
6. Cavalier 7-0 99
7. Kindred 5-1 66
8. Shiloh Christian 6-2 52
9. Bishop Ryan 5-2 33
10. New Rockford-Sheyenne 4-1 27
Others Receiving Votes (RV): Dickinson Trinity (6-3), Mandaree (7-1), Edgeley-Kulm-Montpelier (6-1), Glen Ullin-Hebron (7-1), Beulah (4-3).
BISONFAN18 wrote:
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I actually like this system better. The media polls should just go away. I know polls are meaningless but a system similar to this will be needed if 3 classes become a reality and seeding becomes more important.
ndlionsfan wrote:HCV and FWM flip flop in this week's poll?
packers21 wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:HCV and FWM flip flop in this week's poll?
I think Rugby moves to 2 HCV 3 and 4 winds 4
packers21 wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:HCV and FWM flip flop in this week's poll?
I think Rugby moves to 2 HCV 3 and 4 winds 4
BISONFAN18 wrote:packers21 wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:HCV and FWM flip flop in this week's poll?
I think Rugby moves to 2 HCV 3 and 4 winds 4
Rugby's record should not automatically move them up. There biggest win was against Dunseith. They barely won and Dunseith was like 5 of 40 from the three point line.
Proof that the current poll system is worthless.packers21 wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:packers21 wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:HCV and FWM flip flop in this week's poll?
I think Rugby moves to 2 HCV 3 and 4 winds 4
Rugby's record should not automatically move them up. There biggest win was against Dunseith. They barely won and Dunseith was like 5 of 40 from the three point line.
Obviously you haven’t looked at who they have played if that’s who you think their biggest win is against.
BISONFAN18 wrote:Proof that the current poll system is worthless.packers21 wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:packers21 wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:HCV and FWM flip flop in this week's poll?
I think Rugby moves to 2 HCV 3 and 4 winds 4
Rugby's record should not automatically move them up. There biggest win was against Dunseith. They barely won and Dunseith was like 5 of 40 from the three point line.
Obviously you haven’t looked at who they have played if that’s who you think their biggest win is against.
BISONFAN18 wrote:Proof that the current poll system is worthless.packers21 wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:packers21 wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:HCV and FWM flip flop in this week's poll?
I think Rugby moves to 2 HCV 3 and 4 winds 4
Rugby's record should not automatically move them up. There biggest win was against Dunseith. They barely won and Dunseith was like 5 of 40 from the three point line.
Obviously you haven’t looked at who they have played if that’s who you think their biggest win is against.
I seriously don't care what the polls say. I know that there is more to it than just wins and losses. I made my comment to actually strike up a conversation - something that does not happen much here anymore.packers21 wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:Proof that the current poll system is worthless.packers21 wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:packers21 wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:HCV and FWM flip flop in this week's poll?
I think Rugby moves to 2 HCV 3 and 4 winds 4
Rugby's record should not automatically move them up. There biggest win was against Dunseith. They barely won and Dunseith was like 5 of 40 from the three point line.
Obviously you haven’t looked at who they have played if that’s who you think their biggest win is against.
Bc you disagree with it?? Polls are doing exactly what they are here for - start conversation
How do you explain Cavalier being ranked and other teams who have had losses against top 5 teams not in the top 10?classB4ever wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:Proof that the current poll system is worthless.packers21 wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:packers21 wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:HCV and FWM flip flop in this week's poll?
I think Rugby moves to 2 HCV 3 and 4 winds 4
Rugby's record should not automatically move them up. There biggest win was against Dunseith. They barely won and Dunseith was like 5 of 40 from the three point line.
Obviously you haven’t looked at who they have played if that’s who you think their biggest win is against.
With all due respect, I believe the current poll is more accurate than the RPI and Computer rankings which you referenced above. Bishop Ryan and H-CV are ranked ahead of Thompson on the referenced site and Thompson has beaten them both, one on neutral floor and the other on opponents home floor. Human polls generally are closer in the beginning of the year due to fact of knowing if players are missing, etc. Formulas don't take things like that into account. These formulas start getting close at end of year, but by that time everybody already knows best teams anyway. 2 cents.
BISONFAN18 wrote:How do you explain Cavalier being ranked and other teams who have had losses against top 5 teams not in the top 10?classB4ever wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:Proof that the current poll system is worthless.packers21 wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:packers21 wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:HCV and FWM flip flop in this week's poll?
I think Rugby moves to 2 HCV 3 and 4 winds 4
Rugby's record should not automatically move them up. There biggest win was against Dunseith. They barely won and Dunseith was like 5 of 40 from the three point line.
Obviously you haven’t looked at who they have played if that’s who you think their biggest win is against.
With all due respect, I believe the current poll is more accurate than the RPI and Computer rankings which you referenced above. Bishop Ryan and H-CV are ranked ahead of Thompson on the referenced site and Thompson has beaten them both, one on neutral floor and the other on opponents home floor. Human polls generally are closer in the beginning of the year due to fact of knowing if players are missing, etc. Formulas don't take things like that into account. These formulas start getting close at end of year, but by that time everybody already knows best teams anyway. 2 cents.
packers21 wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:How do you explain Cavalier being ranked and other teams who have had losses against top 5 teams not in the top 10?classB4ever wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:Proof that the current poll system is worthless.packers21 wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:packers21 wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:HCV and FWM flip flop in this week's poll?
I think Rugby moves to 2 HCV 3 and 4 winds 4
Rugby's record should not automatically move them up. There biggest win was against Dunseith. They barely won and Dunseith was like 5 of 40 from the three point line.
Obviously you haven’t looked at who they have played if that’s who you think their biggest win is against.
With all due respect, I believe the current poll is more accurate than the RPI and Computer rankings which you referenced above. Bishop Ryan and H-CV are ranked ahead of Thompson on the referenced site and Thompson has beaten them both, one on neutral floor and the other on opponents home floor. Human polls generally are closer in the beginning of the year due to fact of knowing if players are missing, etc. Formulas don't take things like that into account. These formulas start getting close at end of year, but by that time everybody already knows best teams anyway. 2 cents.
Cavalier is a pretty salty, you must not know much about them. Since you singled out Cavalier and then failed to mention the other teams you feel are top 10 worthy its hard to discuss, who ? Region 7 teams?
BISONFAN18 wrote:How do you explain Cavalier being ranked and other teams who have had losses against top 5 teams not in the top 10?
BISONFAN18 wrote:The only reason I mentioned Cavalier is because they are so far down in the RPI and computer rankings. They your team?
classB4ever wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:How do you explain Cavalier being ranked and other teams who have had losses against top 5 teams not in the top 10?
Good question. I use 6 way multiplier: Wins (Home .75, Neutral 1, Away 1.25). Losses (Home 1.25, Neutral 1, Away .75). Also take into account winning percentage of team and opponent and point differential of game vs. team's average point differential. Gets complicated and not all bugs worked out of it yet, but getting close. In other words, having undefeated record should surely garnish you attention, but you have to have had wins against strong opponents as well.
Problem with using formulas in early part of season is there is no point of reference for strength of schedule. Who's to say what the strongest teams are in first 3 games of season to determine strength of schedule? You can't go by past year's success due to graduation. Therefore ranking SOS in first 3 weeks is completely up to author's own opinion.
So, Cavalier and Rugby are undefeated and played some quality opponents. Would still be hard for me to put them ahead of H-CV and FW-M due to point differential against some like opponents and each of them playing #1 team close.
BISONFAN18 wrote:classB4ever wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:How do you explain Cavalier being ranked and other teams who have had losses against top 5 teams not in the top 10?
Good question. I use 6 way multiplier: Wins (Home .75, Neutral 1, Away 1.25). Losses (Home 1.25, Neutral 1, Away .75). Also take into account winning percentage of team and opponent and point differential of game vs. team's average point differential. Gets complicated and not all bugs worked out of it yet, but getting close. In other words, having undefeated record should surely garnish you attention, but you have to have had wins against strong opponents as well.
Problem with using formulas in early part of season is there is no point of reference for strength of schedule. Who's to say what the strongest teams are in first 3 games of season to determine strength of schedule? You can't go by past year's success due to graduation. Therefore ranking SOS in first 3 weeks is completely up to author's own opinion.
So, Cavalier and Rugby are undefeated and played some quality opponents. Would still be hard for me to put them ahead of H-CV and FW-M due to point differential against some like opponents and each of them playing #1 team close.
That is a pretty good explanation. Thanks and cudos for your love of the game.
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