classB4ever wrote:I don't have a dog in the fight. Got tired of the 10 page debates with people throwing "facts" out there but couldn't back up. In this thread have tried to address every excuse against a 3 class system. A system was proposed to diminish every argument. The very last excuse thrown out was "if you do it for boys bb you have to do it for girls bb and vb." Have asked multiple times to explain why, fiscal or logistical? No answer. Now, the debate is on again on boys thread. And the very people who have been in discussions here are claiming "heimer " doesn't let facts get in the way of his statements. Calling him out. Well, I'm calling Bisonguy06 out. Let's talk facts while you throw out your "hate" message on myth 3 thread.
justplayalready wrote:Flip wrote:Sportsrube wrote:Schwab basically answered the question, but I believe the NDHSAA is afraid that the Class B Tourny would not bring in the TV revenue that it does now if there was a 3 class system. The tournament scheduling could be worked out, but I don't know if they could sell the TV rights to 2 extra tournaments (1 girls, 1 boys) and if they don't televise all state BB tournaments and only televise 1 or 2 they would open themselves up to lawsuits, etc...I also believe they are afraid of being sued if all schools without defined boundaries have to play in the middle or top division. (This is the "rule" in most other states, not sure how they survived without being sued.) Right now the Class B Boys BB Tournament is a large money maker for the NDHSAA and they don't want to do anything to jeopardize their cash cow.
Is anyone suing the NDHSAA for not televising the quarterfinals of the Class A girls tournament? They're not on TV the boys are.
Were the A games on WDAZ weather channel???Were they on regular ABC??? I know I would have rather watched R3 boys on BEK than the regular ABC programming(which I didn't watch)..
I guess well see how the cash cow does as it's really likely that we'll see Minot, Fargo, Bismarck and Dickinson all in it...More population should equal more $$$ right?
classB4ever wrote:
I am going to predict the state field for the next 10 years. Let me ask if you would bet AGAINST the predictions being >75% correct.
Region 1 - Oak Grove
Region 2 - Grafton or H-CV (Thompson and/or Cavalier will win this region at least once in next 10 years)
Region 3 - a small school
Region 4 - Four Winds-Minn.
Region 5 - Shiloh
Region 6 - Bishop Ryan
Region 7 - Dickinson Trinity or Beulah
Region 8 - a small school
Please understand, all these schools have great programs. Good coaching staffs and athletes. No disputing that. One other thing would like to mention, these schools have been bringing great student/fan sections to the state tournament.
GJF85 wrote:Honestly, this may sound ridiculous, but just throwing this thought out there. Would determining class placement in a three-class system covering bbb, gbb, and vb, be somewhat complex given some schools may be on their own for bbb for example, however coop with one other school in gbb, and two other schools in vb? Just a thought. However, it wouldn't be as complex considering the majority of coops are among smaller schools. But just something to maybe discuss here. Any thoughts?
GJF85 wrote:Honestly, this may sound ridiculous, but just throwing this thought out there. Would determining class placement in a three-class system covering bbb, gbb, and vb, be somewhat complex given some schools may be on their own for bbb for example, however coop with one other school in gbb, and two other schools in vb? Just a thought. However, it wouldn't be as complex considering the majority of coops are among smaller schools. But just something to maybe discuss here. Any thoughts?
classB4ever wrote:GJF85 wrote:Honestly, this may sound ridiculous, but just throwing this thought out there. Would determining class placement in a three-class system covering bbb, gbb, and vb, be somewhat complex given some schools may be on their own for bbb for example, however coop with one other school in gbb, and two other schools in vb? Just a thought. However, it wouldn't be as complex considering the majority of coops are among smaller schools. But just something to maybe discuss here. Any thoughts?
IMHO, it would only make it complex if you feel that all 3 sports need to be mandated the same. Other than "because they say so", no answer has ever been given as to why a change to boy's basketball needs to be incorporated into gbb and gvb.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:classB4ever wrote:GJF85 wrote:Honestly, this may sound ridiculous, but just throwing this thought out there. Would determining class placement in a three-class system covering bbb, gbb, and vb, be somewhat complex given some schools may be on their own for bbb for example, however coop with one other school in gbb, and two other schools in vb? Just a thought. However, it wouldn't be as complex considering the majority of coops are among smaller schools. But just something to maybe discuss here. Any thoughts?
IMHO, it would only make it complex if you feel that all 3 sports need to be mandated the same. Other than "because they say so", no answer has ever been given as to why a change to boy's basketball needs to be incorporated into gbb and gvb.
Sounds like if the NDHSAA goes to a 3-class system...all 3 sports need to be included in the plan.
classB4ever wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:classB4ever wrote:GJF85 wrote:Honestly, this may sound ridiculous, but just throwing this thought out there. Would determining class placement in a three-class system covering bbb, gbb, and vb, be somewhat complex given some schools may be on their own for bbb for example, however coop with one other school in gbb, and two other schools in vb? Just a thought. However, it wouldn't be as complex considering the majority of coops are among smaller schools. But just something to maybe discuss here. Any thoughts?
IMHO, it would only make it complex if you feel that all 3 sports need to be mandated the same. Other than "because they say so", no answer has ever been given as to why a change to boy's basketball needs to be incorporated into gbb and gvb.
Sounds like if the NDHSAA goes to a 3-class system...all 3 sports need to be included in the plan.
Understood, but why? That's been the question all along. Logistics? Fiscal? Other than NDHSAA says it's so, what is the reasoning?
The Schwab wrote:classB4ever wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:classB4ever wrote:GJF85 wrote:Honestly, this may sound ridiculous, but just throwing this thought out there. Would determining class placement in a three-class system covering bbb, gbb, and vb, be somewhat complex given some schools may be on their own for bbb for example, however coop with one other school in gbb, and two other schools in vb? Just a thought. However, it wouldn't be as complex considering the majority of coops are among smaller schools. But just something to maybe discuss here. Any thoughts?
IMHO, it would only make it complex if you feel that all 3 sports need to be mandated the same. Other than "because they say so", no answer has ever been given as to why a change to boy's basketball needs to be incorporated into gbb and gvb.
Sounds like if the NDHSAA goes to a 3-class system...all 3 sports need to be included in the plan.
Understood, but why? That's been the question all along. Logistics? Fiscal? Other than NDHSAA says it's so, what is the reasoning?
That is the reason, NDHSAA says so
classB4ever wrote:The Schwab wrote:classB4ever wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:classB4ever wrote:GJF85 wrote:Honestly, this may sound ridiculous, but just throwing this thought out there. Would determining class placement in a three-class system covering bbb, gbb, and vb, be somewhat complex given some schools may be on their own for bbb for example, however coop with one other school in gbb, and two other schools in vb? Just a thought. However, it wouldn't be as complex considering the majority of coops are among smaller schools. But just something to maybe discuss here. Any thoughts?
IMHO, it would only make it complex if you feel that all 3 sports need to be mandated the same. Other than "because they say so", no answer has ever been given as to why a change to boy's basketball needs to be incorporated into gbb and gvb.
Sounds like if the NDHSAA goes to a 3-class system...all 3 sports need to be included in the plan.
Understood, but why? That's been the question all along. Logistics? Fiscal? Other than NDHSAA says it's so, what is the reasoning?
That is the reason, NDHSAA says so
Thank you, my computer screen needed cleaning anyway.
GJF85 wrote:My apologies, I didn't use the right choice of words. Maybe if I put it into a scenario, it will make more sense.
So let's say you have School 1, School 2, and School 3. These three schools provide these athletic opportunities:
School 1:
BBB
GBB (co-op with School 2)
VB (co-op with School 2 & 3)
Now it isn't the greatest scenario, but say if for girl's basketball the enrollment between Schools 1 and 2 was above the cutoff between Class A and Class B. So would BBB be in Class B, and Girls BBB be in Class A?
Or how would that work?
Hope that clears up what I was trying to get at.
sportsnut5 wrote:I have heard a rumor that Watford City may not have enough players in girls' basketball to have a JV team. And they are going to Class A. I bet Century cannot wait to make that trip out to Watford City so their program can get better. Games like that one will assist Watford in building their program as well. Regular state tourney participants in Class B, sacrificial lamb in Class A. 2 class system at its finest.
sportsnut5 wrote:Every plan has flaws and many schools know a different system is needed, but vote "no" either because a specific plan affects them adversely or does not affect them at all so they stay with the status quo. I truly think a different class system would be voted in if it was just a vote on the idea of and the process of implementing it. I believe, maybe I am totally wrong, but if a system of implementation was voted on like the football plan, with a committee made up of members from around the state to thoroughly and diligently come up with a class system that made sense, more schools would be willing to give it a try.
I'm not sure what is the best system for the state, but I know schools like Watford City dominating smaller class B schools, and schools like Century dominating Watford City is not the best solution to our competitive balance or numbers of participation issues going on in this state. There are so many programs now that cannot support 2 teams in Class B. Makes for some pretty ugly basketball at times that has put student-athletes in poor situations. We have a band-aid with the mercy rule. Change is difficult, but change is necessary.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:Most of the Class A schools just shot down Wahpeton’s 3 class proposal...so the Class A schools are choosing this situation right now. It was 42% no - statewide; 49% without Class A included
Flip wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:Most of the Class A schools just shot down Wahpeton’s 3 class proposal...so the Class A schools are choosing this situation right now. It was 42% no - statewide; 49% without Class A included
This surprises me.
I know the sample size isn't great, but if the vote were left up to the coaches I think a 3 class proposal would pass. At the coaches association meeting 3 classes get discussed every year. The coaches that are against it either aren't there or don't talk.
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