defense1st wrote:There has been a trend growing basketball that I think we will see addressed soon, especially if it continues at its current pace. I'm interested to hear others' thoughts on this growing trend:
It has almost become a primary defensive strategy to just stand in front of someone, slide underneath an airborne player, and (sometimes, but not often) flop in hopes of drawing a charge. This strategy was extremely prevalent at the state B this year. Kyler McGillis comes to mind as someone who consistently was taken out at the legs after he had already jumped as his defenders attempted to draw a charge. Most of the time it was a no-call, but McGillis would go crashing to the floor in ways that made me surprised he would get back up. The championship was choc full of block/charge situations as well.
I have no problem with the officiating of the block/charge situations in the tournament. I think the officials correctly called them a majority of the time, I just think it happened too often.
This also isn't just an issue in ND basketball. I saw it all over the NCAA first two rounds as well.
I think the increasing prevalence of this "defensive strategy" creates a disjointed game, and causes most players to hesitate to drive because they're concerned about the help defense sliding underneath them. It's dangerous, and it happens much too often.
d_fense wrote:defense1st wrote:There has been a trend growing basketball that I think we will see addressed soon, especially if it continues at its current pace. I'm interested to hear others' thoughts on this growing trend:
It has almost become a primary defensive strategy to just stand in front of someone, slide underneath an airborne player, and (sometimes, but not often) flop in hopes of drawing a charge. This strategy was extremely prevalent at the state B this year. Kyler McGillis comes to mind as someone who consistently was taken out at the legs after he had already jumped as his defenders attempted to draw a charge. Most of the time it was a no-call, but McGillis would go crashing to the floor in ways that made me surprised he would get back up. The championship was choc full of block/charge situations as well.
I have no problem with the officiating of the block/charge situations in the tournament. I think the officials correctly called them a majority of the time, I just think it happened too often.
This also isn't just an issue in ND basketball. I saw it all over the NCAA first two rounds as well.
I think the increasing prevalence of this "defensive strategy" creates a disjointed game, and causes most players to hesitate to drive because they're concerned about the help defense sliding underneath them. It's dangerous, and it happens much too often.
I disagree with much of what you say here. But, you are correct that it is a strategy to stand in front of someone. Especially if they have the ball. And yes, there are a few reasons for this. They include making someone shoot over a defender, not allowing layups, and to make the offensive work in order to score.
What makes McGillis and other players like him special is that they push the envelope and try go places other do not. This often times initiates contact, which is why you often saw contact but didn't always get fouls called. And I don't think that players worrying that someone may slide under them stopped a single drive to the basket all tournament. I think that thinking that is just nuts.
Playing defense is not a new thing.
BISONFAN18 wrote:1. There are not enough charges called. Legal guarding position is maintained while moving laterally or backwards. "Sliding in" under an air born shooter does not necessarily make contact a block. If the defender gained and maintained legal position before the shooter went airborn then we have a charge if there is contact that warrents a call.
2. Players need to shoot more mid-range shots or pull up before contact at the rim.
sportsnut5 wrote:...McGillis is a very skilled player who is under control. Most of the time he is the one initiating the contact and this is why he has shot so many free throws through the years. Players like him are extremely hard to officiate, and even harder to defend.
mikeoxlong69 wrote:A block? A charge? Who knows. What I do know is that I LOVE that there is a website where old men can sit at home and trash/talk about high school athletes. This website was wonderfully conceived and well thought out. The people who have the discussions on this board are always level-headed and never call out specific athletes by name. I mean, it's not like the athletes actually read this stuff? Right? Anyway, it's awesome that we all have the chance to talk about high school aged kids on a blog. Good stuff! Also, runforfun, your Twitter account went a little quiet after Oak Grove took the L from Wyndmere/Lidgerwood. What was up with that? There were plenty of people waiting for score updates. It's awesome that this board is completely anonymous and none of the athletes/high school kids know the names of ANY of the posters, right Dan?
Baller wrote:mikeoxlong69 wrote:A block? A charge? Who knows. What I do know is that I LOVE that there is a website where old men can sit at home and trash/talk about high school athletes. This website was wonderfully conceived and well thought out. The people who have the discussions on this board are always level-headed and never call out specific athletes by name. I mean, it's not like the athletes actually read this stuff? Right? Anyway, it's awesome that we all have the chance to talk about high school aged kids on a blog. Good stuff! Also, runforfun, your Twitter account went a little quiet after Oak Grove took the L from Wyndmere/Lidgerwood. What was up with that? There were plenty of people waiting for score updates. It's awesome that this board is completely anonymous and none of the athletes/high school kids know the names of ANY of the posters, right Dan?
Are we talking about the same twitter Account?? ND HS Scores where run tweets out almost EVERY score from the state of ND? I think he does an amazing job at it and would like anyone else to even try to come close to compiling the scores that he does. If you scroll through the account, it is far from quiet after Oak Grove's loss. Does he tweet more region 1 stuff? Yep, cause he is at the games, not getting his information second hand. I HIGHLY appreciate the work that Dan puts in getting scores out.
Agree with the first part of your post, tbh. I hate people anonymously trash-talking high school kids/coaches/refs on this forum. As a current high school coach, my assistants, my players and I work hard and do our best. I don't need Joe Six-pack telling me or my players why he thinks we stink. And it's tough enough finding officials to work our games.mikeoxlong69 wrote:A block? A charge? Who knows. What I do know is that I LOVE that there is a website where old men can sit at home and trash/talk about high school athletes. This website was wonderfully conceived and well thought out. The people who have the discussions on this board are always level-headed and never call out specific athletes by name. I mean, it's not like the athletes actually read this stuff? Right? Anyway, it's awesome that we all have the chance to talk about high school aged kids on a blog. Good stuff! Also, runforfun, your Twitter account went a little quiet after Oak Grove took the L from Wyndmere/Lidgerwood. What was up with that? There were plenty of people waiting for score updates. It's awesome that this board is completely anonymous and none of the athletes/high school kids know the names of ANY of the posters, right Dan?
mikeoxlong69 wrote:A block? A charge? Who knows. What I do know is that I LOVE that there is a website where old men can sit at home and trash/talk about high school athletes. This website was wonderfully conceived and well thought out. The people who have the discussions on this board are always level-headed and never call out specific athletes by name. I mean, it's not like the athletes actually read this stuff? Right? Anyway, it's awesome that we all have the chance to talk about high school aged kids on a blog. Good stuff! Also, runforfun, your Twitter account went a little quiet after Oak Grove took the L from Wyndmere/Lidgerwood. What was up with that? There were plenty of people waiting for score updates. It's awesome that this board is completely anonymous and none of the athletes/high school kids know the names of ANY of the posters, right Dan?
winner-within wrote:mikeoxlong69 wrote:A block? A charge? Who knows. What I do know is that I LOVE that there is a website where old men can sit at home and trash/talk about high school athletes. This website was wonderfully conceived and well thought out. The people who have the discussions on this board are always level-headed and never call out specific athletes by name. I mean, it's not like the athletes actually read this stuff? Right? Anyway, it's awesome that we all have the chance to talk about high school aged kids on a blog. Good stuff! Also, runforfun, your Twitter account went a little quiet after Oak Grove took the L from Wyndmere/Lidgerwood. What was up with that? There were plenty of people waiting for score updates. It's awesome that this board is completely anonymous and none of the athletes/high school kids know the names of ANY of the posters, right Dan?
I agree with as lot of this too! like I said before this forum is "patrol city" and many many many know who I am I'm sure, but there are a million stalkers with no posts or less than 3....the life of blogs and forums
HONKER wrote:winner-within wrote:mikeoxlong69 wrote:A block? A charge? Who knows. What I do know is that I LOVE that there is a website where old men can sit at home and trash/talk about high school athletes. This website was wonderfully conceived and well thought out. The people who have the discussions on this board are always level-headed and never call out specific athletes by name. I mean, it's not like the athletes actually read this stuff? Right? Anyway, it's awesome that we all have the chance to talk about high school aged kids on a blog. Good stuff! Also, runforfun, your Twitter account went a little quiet after Oak Grove took the L from Wyndmere/Lidgerwood. What was up with that? There were plenty of people waiting for score updates. It's awesome that this board is completely anonymous and none of the athletes/high school kids know the names of ANY of the posters, right Dan?
I agree with as lot of this too! like I said before this forum is "patrol city" and many many many know who I am I'm sure, but there are a million stalkers with no posts or less than 3....the life of blogs and forums
I know who you are haha
winner-within wrote:HONKER wrote:winner-within wrote:mikeoxlong69 wrote:A block? A charge? Who knows. What I do know is that I LOVE that there is a website where old men can sit at home and trash/talk about high school athletes. This website was wonderfully conceived and well thought out. The people who have the discussions on this board are always level-headed and never call out specific athletes by name. I mean, it's not like the athletes actually read this stuff? Right? Anyway, it's awesome that we all have the chance to talk about high school aged kids on a blog. Good stuff! Also, runforfun, your Twitter account went a little quiet after Oak Grove took the L from Wyndmere/Lidgerwood. What was up with that? There were plenty of people waiting for score updates. It's awesome that this board is completely anonymous and none of the athletes/high school kids know the names of ANY of the posters, right Dan?
I agree with as lot of this too! like I said before this forum is "patrol city" and many many many know who I am I'm sure, but there are a million stalkers with no posts or less than 3....the life of blogs and forums
I know who you are haha
Going good. Just reading you guys posts are making me feel really old.
Hope all is well Honker!!
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