Flip wrote:Don't you have to assume it's happening right now?
OG has bounced between A and 9 man. I'm sure they have foreign exchange students too. I've never heard them p*ss and moan. I'm pretty sure Bishop Ryan and Dickinson Trinity have opted up in prior years. According the enrollment numbers Park Christian, also a private school, has 60 less kids and they're in the same section. Hillcrest needs to quit whining.
magic man wrote:I don't know if I would say it's whining, but more of just being real with their circumstances. If they only have 12 - 15 kids on their roster, how would they be expected to compete in a 11 man league?
Park Christian had to shut down their program last year because of lack of numbers. Not much they could do, because they are already at the 9 man level, but imagine if they had to play 11 man..
The fact that most public schools can lower their number by virtue of them having free and reduced lunch kids, shouldn't the same be said for private schools that have foreign exchange students? I would guess, that based on where the kids come from, there isn't many foreign exchange students that are coming from areas that Football is the main sport, so the likelihood of them playing football in the states, isn't that great. I would only guess that most of the private schools aren't getting a large number of kids that qualify for free and reduced lunch, so they are not seeing any kind of "break" for their kids.
You bring up Oak Grove, Bishop Minot Ryan and Dickinson Trinity... Which really proves that you have to take a look into the "numbers" a little deeper. I know that it's hard for the NDHSAA to seem fair to all, but not having a blanket number, but it would seem that you have to look at each individual school and see what's really going on there. (Other Fall sports, foreign exchange students, etc.)
Flip wrote:magic man wrote:I don't know if I would say it's whining, but more of just being real with their circumstances. If they only have 12 - 15 kids on their roster, how would they be expected to compete in a 11 man league?
Where are you getting this 12-15 number? Their coach said he had 12 guys he felt "comfortable" playing. Many coaches don't have 12 kids he feels comfortable playing. I've witnessed it and been a part of it. My last two seasons of HS football he didn't have 1 practice where we could scrimmage 9 on 9.Park Christian had to shut down their program last year because of lack of numbers. Not much they could do, because they are already at the 9 man level, but imagine if they had to play 11 man..
Did you not comprehend my post? I said PC is playing 11 man next year.The fact that most public schools can lower their number by virtue of them having free and reduced lunch kids, shouldn't the same be said for private schools that have foreign exchange students? I would guess, that based on where the kids come from, there isn't many foreign exchange students that are coming from areas that Football is the main sport, so the likelihood of them playing football in the states, isn't that great. I would only guess that most of the private schools aren't getting a large number of kids that qualify for free and reduced lunch, so they are not seeing any kind of "break" for their kids.
Hillcrest's enrollment isn't like borderline 9 man/Class A, they're actually closer to AA than 9 man.You bring up Oak Grove, Bishop Minot Ryan and Dickinson Trinity... Which really proves that you have to take a look into the "numbers" a little deeper. I know that it's hard for the NDHSAA to seem fair to all, but not having a blanket number, but it would seem that you have to look at each individual school and see what's really going on there. (Other Fall sports, foreign exchange students, etc.)
Not really sure where you're going with this do we actually know what's going on at Hillcrest. I know their coach says they have 60 foreign exchange students, but I don't know how accurate that number is.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:There's confusion about where PC is playing...they are under the 9-man requirement but listed in 11-man A...article about area reclassification stated from Coach/school that they were still 9-man...
Flip wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:There's confusion about where PC is playing...they are under the 9-man requirement but listed in 11-man A...article about area reclassification stated from Coach/school that they were still 9-man...
It wouldn't make sense for them to move up to A. I was going off what was on the MSHSL page. My fault.
I saw one other oddity with 6A football. Ottertail Central is in 6A, but their enrollment well above the A cutoff.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:What's odd is that Park Christian is 118 and MSHSL has them in 6A...but NCE/UH combined in 150 and playing in Section 6 9-Man...now I know free & reduced lunch numbers effect the classification (too bad they don't show that number...or at least I haven't found it yet)...and NCE/UH's number definitely will change...but by that much...I don't know. Some things just seem odd with how MSHSL did the re-classification
Flip wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:What's odd is that Park Christian is 118 and MSHSL has them in 6A...but NCE/UH combined in 150 and playing in Section 6 9-Man...now I know free & reduced lunch numbers effect the classification (too bad they don't show that number...or at least I haven't found it yet)...and NCE/UH's number definitely will change...but by that much...I don't know. Some things just seem odd with how MSHSL did the re-classification
Almost positive F&R is already factored into the posted enrollment numbers. Mahnomen is listed at like 110 and I think they're actual enrollment is a lot bigger. Mahnomen and Fertile-Beltrami have always opted-up in the past.
I thought you said PC being in 6A was a mistake.
Flip wrote:magic man wrote:I don't know if I would say it's whining, but more of just being real with their circumstances. If they only have 12 - 15 kids on their roster, how would they be expected to compete in a 11 man league?
Where are you getting this 12-15 number? Their coach said he had 12 guys he felt "comfortable" playing. Many coaches don't have 12 kids he feels comfortable playing. I've witnessed it and been a part of it. My last two seasons of HS football he didn't have 1 practice where we could scrimmage 9 on 9.
I would venture to guess that the ones that he is comfortable in playing at the varsity level, are Juniors/Seniors. There are some occasions in which freshmen/sophomores are ready to physically play varsity sports, but there is a reason why you have JV. I would wonder if they can even play JV?Park Christian had to shut down their program last year because of lack of numbers. Not much they could do, because they are already at the 9 man level, but imagine if they had to play 11 man..
Did you not comprehend my post? I said PC is playing 11 man next year.
Incorrect.. They are still trying to get a 9 man team together. Did you not comprehend that they had to shut down their program last year at the 9 man level? http://www.inforum.com/sports/4116949-fearing-player-safety-park-christian-high-school-cancels-varsity-football-season
They were using 8th graders to fill out their roster to be able to play games.The fact that most public schools can lower their number by virtue of them having free and reduced lunch kids, shouldn't the same be said for private schools that have foreign exchange students? I would guess, that based on where the kids come from, there isn't many foreign exchange students that are coming from areas that Football is the main sport, so the likelihood of them playing football in the states, isn't that great. I would only guess that most of the private schools aren't getting a large number of kids that qualify for free and reduced lunch, so they are not seeing any kind of "break" for their kids.
Hillcrest's enrollment isn't like borderline 9 man/Class A, they're actually closer to AA than 9 man.
Numbers don't always tell the truth in what the make up of the kids are there. There are varying reasons why parents put their kids in private schools. Contrary to the belief of those that hate private schools, some do it for smaller class sizes and special programs that aren't focused on in public schools. Not just for sports.
You bring up Oak Grove, Bishop Minot Ryan and Dickinson Trinity... Which really proves that you have to take a look into the "numbers" a little deeper. I know that it's hard for the NDHSAA to seem fair to all, but not having a blanket number, but it would seem that you have to look at each individual school and see what's really going on there. (Other Fall sports, foreign exchange students, etc.)
Not really sure where you're going with this do we actually know what's going on at Hillcrest. I know their coach says they have 60 foreign exchange students, but I don't know how accurate that number is.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:The enrollment numbers used in MN are for total students not just male enrollment..,just to clear that confusion
wan2bqb wrote:Well that would be a completely different story possibly. Do we know their male enrollment?
Flip wrote:wan2bqb wrote:Well that would be a completely different story possibly. Do we know their male enrollment?
It's fair to assume it's ~50% of total enrollment IMO.
magic man wrote:Does anyone know if they factor other fall sports into the numbers in ND?
Run4Fun2009 wrote:magic man wrote:Does anyone know if they factor other fall sports into the numbers in ND?
They do not...they just use male enrollment numbers for grades 7-10 and factor in the free & reduced lunches multiplier.
magic man wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:magic man wrote:Does anyone know if they factor other fall sports into the numbers in ND?
They do not...they just use male enrollment numbers for grades 7-10 and factor in the free & reduced lunches multiplier.
For real? Well, how is that fair? You have to look at the fact that some schools have other fall sports that can pull away from the number of male athletes that might play football, no?
Am I missing something here?
magic man wrote:For real? Well, how is that fair? You have to look at the fact that some schools have other fall sports that can pull away from the number of male athletes that might play football, no?
Am I missing something here?
Flip wrote:magic man wrote:For real? Well, how is that fair? You have to look at the fact that some schools have other fall sports that can pull away from the number of male athletes that might play football, no?
Am I missing something here?
Are you missing something? what have you actually understood would be the better question.
What if you have one kid run cross country should you be able to drop a class in FB because of that? What about non athletic activities? Come up with an alternative plan before you criticize the current one.
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