ProV1X wrote:I had a conversation with a parent of a player last week at a game. He stated that he has not seen 1 offensive charge call all season and he has been to over 30 games. I dont recall seeing any charges called either, just offensive fouls for shoving with their forearm or lowering the shoulder and knocking people over. I think it has taken away the incentive to play smart defense and take a charge when an offensive player is constantly driving to the basket out of control. I was thinking this when the parent commented on it, so in my opinion the coaches need to tell the kids to get out of the way instead of trying to take a charge outside of that arc. Not worth the defensive foul and taking the hit.
ReadyToPlay wrote: Since I am on my soapbox: Another irritating thing now a days, is on a out of bounds plays under the basket, I have seen time and time again, the defense (if playing man to man), has no sense to switch to a zone for the play to protect the basket----I guess they must like getting picked off on a elementary screen for an easy basket.
ReadyToPlay wrote:That's a good question. Apparently since it doesn't continue down to the baseline, you probably can plow through and get the offensive foul as there is no arc to protect you. I guess now the defensive player will get his due as he is playing good old school defense of shuffling and protecting the baseline like we were taught in the 70's. I get a kick of how the majority of the players now a days just let them by the baseline and then try to manhandle them by blocking their shot when they come around. We would have been benched for giving them the baseline back the hey day. Since I am on my soapbox: Another irritating thing now a days, is on a out of bounds plays under the basket, I have seen time and time again, the defense (if playing man to man), has no sense to switch to a zone for the play to protect the basket----I guess they must like getting picked off on a elementary screen for an easy basket.
sportsnut5 wrote:There is a huge difference in philosophy concerning man defense principles. Many coaches us man to man principles that actually state to not give up the middle drive and rotate and help on baseline drives. This does go against what was taught in the 1900's, but I would say a vast majority of college coaches teach this style of defense. Your pack line defensive gurus take away the baseline, but most other man to man philosophies take away the middle drive. On a middle drive, yes there is help, but there are so many options to pass the ball to open players. The baseline drive is a very bad place to be if the defensive team knows how to trap and rotate. This style takes a lot of practice and a lot of shell drill, but is extremely effective if done properly. If teams give up the baseline for scores they are not drilled enough on the help and rotations of the defense.
sportsnut5 wrote:There is a huge difference in philosophy concerning man defense principles. Many coaches us man to man principles that actually state to not give up the middle drive and rotate and help on baseline drives. This does go against what was taught in the 1900's, but I would say a vast majority of college coaches teach this style of defense. Your pack line defensive gurus take away the baseline, but most other man to man philosophies take away the middle drive. On a middle drive, yes there is help, but there are so many options to pass the ball to open players. The baseline drive is a very bad place to be if the defensive team knows how to trap and rotate. This style takes a lot of practice and a lot of shell drill, but is extremely effective if done properly. If teams give up the baseline for scores they are not drilled enough on the help and rotations of the defense.
sportsnut5 wrote:So forcing middle is a fundamental? No that would be a philosophy. And no, you don't have to be better athletically to execute a defensive rotation. You just have to be well coached. Ball moves, you move. Pretty simple. Plug the middle worked well until a 3 point line was installed. Now drive middle, collapse the defense and have any outlet to a 3 point shot. Does not work great in today''s game.
NodakQ2 wrote:sportsnut5 wrote:So forcing middle is a fundamental? No that would be a philosophy. And no, you don't have to be better athletically to execute a defensive rotation. You just have to be well coached. Ball moves, you move. Pretty simple. Plug the middle worked well until a 3 point line was installed. Now drive middle, collapse the defense and have any outlet to a 3 point shot. Does not work great in today''s game.
I watch a ton of B basketball and as soon as I see your rotation start being executed correctly I'll be a believer at this level. Until then I guess we'll just continue watching guys giving up the baseline and the offense shooting layups. I'd take my chances on guys shoting 3's vs. layups any day. Again, I don't disagree with the philosophy but until it starts being executed correctly, I'd shut down the layup.
ProV1X wrote:We have been to more than 20 state Class B basketball tournaments in North Dakota. This was one of the most disappointing. The Alerus is not a good venue for basketball. The crowds are so far from the court and you have to go up and down stairs and bleachers to get to concessions etc. Not convenient for a fan at all. I really enjoy the city of Grand Forks, but each time we visited a restaurant they had no idea the tournament was going on. At the Pub at the CanadInn connected to the Alerus, they ran out of several different types of beverage before Saturday evening. Just those types of things are so different than all the welcome specials, signs and treatment you get from Bismarck for sure and Minot to an extent. Grand Forks didnt seem to care that there were a lot of basketball fans in town and they shouldnt host Class B boys or girls again IMO.
ProV1X wrote:We have been to more than 20 state Class B basketball tournaments in North Dakota. This was one of the most disappointing. The Alerus is not a good venue for basketball. The crowds are so far from the court and you have to go up and down stairs and bleachers to get to concessions etc. Not convenient for a fan at all. I really enjoy the city of Grand Forks, but each time we visited a restaurant they had no idea the tournament was going on. At the Pub at the CanadInn connected to the Alerus, they ran out of several different types of beverage before Saturday evening. Just those types of things are so different than all the welcome specials, signs and treatment you get from Bismarck for sure and Minot to an extent. Grand Forks didnt seem to care that there were a lot of basketball fans in town and they shouldnt host Class B boys or girls again IMO.
Rivershark wrote:ProV1X wrote:We have been to more than 20 state Class B basketball tournaments in North Dakota. This was one of the most disappointing. The Alerus is not a good venue for basketball. The crowds are so far from the court and you have to go up and down stairs and bleachers to get to concessions etc. Not convenient for a fan at all. I really enjoy the city of Grand Forks, but each time we visited a restaurant they had no idea the tournament was going on. At the Pub at the CanadInn connected to the Alerus, they ran out of several different types of beverage before Saturday evening. Just those types of things are so different than all the welcome specials, signs and treatment you get from Bismarck for sure and Minot to an extent. Grand Forks didnt seem to care that there were a lot of basketball fans in town and they shouldnt host Class B boys or girls again IMO.
I think you're always going to see this in GF and Fargo (although Fargo would have been better than GF). When you have the big universities, it's just natural that they are going get all the attention. The Alerus is terrible for basketball. Was it just me, or did it seem like some of the girl's may have been confused on which 3 point line to shoot behind. Lots of long shots taken. The Alerus made pizza for our hospitality room. The pizza was burnt and tasted like it was sitting in a warmer all day. The Canad Inn has much better food, but they don't cross lines with the Alerus. To get concessions, you had to walk up to the second level. NDHSAA needs to have guidelines for hosting a state tournament. These teams deserve the best when it comes to the state tournament.
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