Run4Fun2009 wrote:sportsking wrote:As a coach in JH I believe that if the kids are talented enough, it is correct. You can teach them more. My problem is, kids coming from 5th and 6th grade have not been worked with enough on the basics. I also believe that it should be a decision of the AD, jh coach, and jv, varsity coaches on what the program would like to cover. I have worked close with the jv, varsity coaches on what is lacking, and what direction they are headed. I also have had it were the 8th grade is way above what the 7th grade is. The 1 thing I would like to see, is games, more games, a Why do AD's not get together with each other and create more for the jh levels? I have A group of 8th graders that would love to play 28 games like the varsity.nd set it up for district tourney's for these kids. Just having 10 to 12 games and done is not enough. They can play zone, but prefer man to man. Also, the fast break is nice, but try to tell them to set an offense up and learn to work it that way once in awhile.
Because the NDHSAA sets up this rule...and I believe its been upped to 15 games allowed during a season.
sportsking wrote:As a coach in JH I believe that if the kids are talented enough, it is correct. You can teach them more. My problem is, kids coming from 5th and 6th grade have not been worked with enough on the basics. I also believe that it should be a decision of the AD, jh coach, and jv, varsity coaches on what the program would like to cover. I have worked close with the jv, varsity coaches on what is lacking, and what direction they are headed. I also have had it were the 8th grade is way above what the 7th grade is. The 1 thing I would like to see, is games, more games, and set it up for district tourney's for these kids. Just having 10 to 12 games and done is not enough. Why do AD's not get together with each other and create more for the jh levels? I have A group of 8th graders that would love to play 28 games like the varsity. They can play zone, but prefer man to man. Also, the fast break is nice, but try to tell them to set an offense up and learn to work it that way once in awhile.
mags wrote:i have coached junior high numerous times this is my opinion.
I feel zone and press absolutly SHOULD be allowed in junior high reasons are:
its tough for 5'6" kids to cover a lot of area in a zone so its really not tough to beat
I welcome someone to zone my team becuz i typically have one or 2 great 3 point shooters
its a good answer for when the other team has a 6 foot kid, who is half a foot taller then "your" tallest
MANY MANY MANY freshman around the state play significant varisty minutes and need to be prepared.
its not fair to not be able to teach your good kids the WHOLE game of basketball
and finally my school has 8 grade A team and B team. and usually we dont do it in the B game if the other team would prefer not too. but i would be fine with it.
and again it is legal officaly unless the home team outlaws you
d_fense wrote:In my opinion it takes a matter of a few minutes to explain the rules of a zone defense to a player. What makes a zone good are all things you work on in man defense, moving your feet, stopping penetration, closing out, and etcetera. I don't believe there is any transition that is needed as far as zone defense goes for moving into jv or varsity. I've never had a freshman or spoke to another coach who had one and said that the freshman would get some, or more time if only they played better zone defense. It is actually much more likely if a coach is in a position where they are playing younger kids, they are more likely to play zone defense.
Practice time is to precious in jr high to mess with the different offenses that are needed against so many different defenses. My only experience with junior high basketball comes along the Red River in districts 1,2,3, & 4. I've never seen any team play anything other than man.
Hinsa wrote:I've been coaching Junior High BB for quite a few years, and my opinion on zones has changed.
District 3 currently does not allow zones or double teams. You can hedge on ball screens. You can press, man-to-man, if the game is within 10 points either way. You can play help defense and double the ball in the post.
You might ask why can't a team press if they are down more than 10 and the answer to that is we've had guys start pressing when the scrubs were playing for the team that is ahead. This lead to coaches being hesitant to put their scrubs in which defeats the purpose of all kids learning and improving.
We've also had unscrupulous coaches abuse the no double-team rule. A while back there was one team that had 2 players and 3 guys who could walk and chew gum but that's about it. So the coach would put the 3 poor players way on one side of the court and go two on two on the other side of the court. When my defensive players would try to help out on the 2 good players when they went to the basket, I was told I was not following the no double team rule. That certainly lead to some lengthy discussion at the district meeting to stop that kind of nonsense.
I used to believe in the philosphy of no zones in junior high, but I have changed on that. Here's why. These kids, especially the 8th graders, are one year away from playing JV or even varsity ball where they need to know how to play a zone and a zone press. They get to be freshmen and they have no clue how to do it. Also, it is difficult to administer the no double-team rule when you play help defense inside and hedge on screens.
I would just as soon let the kids start to learn zone principles on defense and learn how to attack it on offense. If you get good ball movement you really don't have to settle for 3-pointers. You can find good shots against a zone just as much as you can a man-to-man. As far as zones not teaching kids how to play defense, a zone where kids don't hustle and move and guard people is a crappy zone. If they are going to play a good zone they are learning good defensive principles.
That's an old guy's take on this issue.
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