heimer wrote:See 85-15 for comments on lack of class and dignity. Enrollment comments probably don't apply. Zone, shotclock, coaching, and parents comments do.
heimer wrote:Yeah, mods, ban me when the going gets tough.
Don't need to be at a game. The score is eyebrow-raising enough.
This board is a B-and-west-region slanted board. Always has been, always will be. Grow a pair and take on some tough topics.
If these scores absolutely cannot be prevented (for the purposes of this thread, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt), then give me a solution. I know balla45 thinks this is the NBA and we should be able to bludgeon anyone we want to death by any amount possible. How he got to be a mod is beyond me, but whatever.
It's not the NBA. It's high school basketball.
Is it schools that should not have teams? If so, time to force some consolidations.
Is it the clock that doesn't die fast enough? If so, lets run the clock. MN has a running clock rule, and we have mercy rules in FB, HKY, and BB. Volleyball's length is directly determined by the score, sort of a built-in mercy rule. Why not basketball?
If you're not willing to discuss either or both, we're left with schools to police themselves, and they're doing a terrible job of it.
Go ahead, ban it. Your loss, not mine.
heimer wrote:This board is a B-and-west-region slanted board. Always has been, always will be. Grow a pair and take on some tough topics.
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If you're not willing to discuss either or both, we're left with schools to police themselves, and they're doing a terrible job of it.
heimer wrote:MN has a running clock rule...
The Schwab wrote:I am in favor of the running clock rule for high school basketball. In class B north dakota (especially in girls basketball) the difference between good teams and struggling teams in very large. Unfortunately, I have a feeling we are going to see a lot of scores like this on the girls side. I don't feel that this is an attempt to intentionally humiliate the other team.
We also have to remember that we shouldn't punish the teams and players who put in time in the off season to get better. It's not their fault that they work their tails off to get better. So many times in our society now days we punish the top 10 percent (especially in schools) by focusing a majority of our time, money and resources on the struggling portion of our population.
Just because a team/player puts in all the time and effort in the off-season to get better doesn't mean they should only be allowed to play half of the game or less.
Watford City is in a traditionally weak region, they are a very strong team. They play multiple teams with their JV in order to avoid scores like this the best they can. They are trying to win a state championship, not make other teams feel good about themselves.
I have coached in a game where my team got beat by a worse score then this game. Do I blame the other coach? Do I think they tried to run up the score? Did I feel sorry for myself or my team? The answer to all of these questions is NO. If they would have played the way they practiced and wanted to play when they faced tough competition they would have beat us 120-under 10. Would I have blamed them for that? Not at all
heimer wrote:2. Let Class B teams do the WDA hockey thing and play the weaker opponents with JV teams so they can take some of the extra Class A games.
scoobyx2 wrote:Any topic or discussion that is current on this site should be considered interesting. There use to be some pretty good discussions on this site, and now there is very little interests or input. I would like to see moderators try to encourage more discussions. To stay on this thread, I am not a huge fan of controlling how games are played, but if the high discrepancies in scoring is not addressed and the decline of fundamental skill sets continues, the interest in basketball will continue to go down.
heimer wrote:Whatever, Balla. Enforce your rules. You clearly are not interested in engaging in an honest debate about problems facing high school athletics.
I saw some scores from teams in the east last night. Thompson and PR-FL both won "blowout" games last night, and neither team scored 60 points. That's playing the game with class and dignity.
If this board isn't for this specific conversation, then all the board is for is a worthless session of B-shot patting themselves on the back for how wonderful the game, and their contributions to it, are. It's all about how great it is that one kid will have a successful Division I basketball career, and how great all of the record holders are.
Basketball has major problems. It has problems with enrollment disparities, competitiveness, lack of commitment, lack of participation, coaching issues, and more. The only discussion any of these elements get, outside of me airing them out on this board, happens in a closed-door meeting away from the scrutiny of the taxpayer that pays the bill.
None of you liked that atmosphere of solving problems when the enrollment cutoff number was moved to 400, allowing Valley City to move to Class B. But apparently that is the only acceptable place to air those comments.
All I ask is that, when you finally ban me, delete all of my posts also. I wouldn't want your board to gain any readers because of what I bring to the conversation unless the conversation can include strong opinions and a realistic attitude toward the game. If your little pity party out west is disrupted by strong opinions, then please don't profit from any of them.
I hear from a couple of mods in person that this board can be pretty dead till I show up. Despite a strong disagreement with my viewpoints, it apparently inspires conversation. But you and Flip want to ban me so you can censor the conversation to fit your narrative. That shows some real guts.
Go ahead, do your worst.
No. Did they control the game? No.balla45 wrote:Heimer, seeing as you recently told me that you answered all of my questions in the 85-15 topic. Here are questions that were asked and not answered. Feel free to do so.
Which lie are you referring to?--The one where Class B is untouchable, and the west is better than the east, and any criticism of B is uninformed and generally wrong, and B runs the state, and A not cool.
Lol where did you coach at in college and how successful were you? While I didn't coach in college, I have 12 years of working with college level coaches every week for an entire season, and many weeks of the offseason. Not just about the game, but everything from recruiting to meal plans for athletes. If they tell me there's value in "controlling" a game with the shot clock through an 8-second offense, I'll believe them over you.
How can you work on scoring in 8 seconds if you are burning the entire clock for half of the game? Since simple math seems to be beyond the comprehension of this question: In a 35-second clock, you run the shot clock to eight seconds, then run your offense. In a 30-second clock, you run the shot clock to eight seconds, and then run your offense. Weird, right?
Do you feel that a team improves by having its players stand in a zone and not apply pressure? If the game has that large of a difference in talent level, you're not going to get better, period. Chances are, your JV would give you a better game, thus my suggestion to allow Class A schools six extra games a year, provided they accept the invite of B schools that want to play them. Send your JV to R-T or South Prairie. Don't ground pound them into embarrassment then shrug your shoulders and say, "What could we do?"
Who said an 8 second offense has no value? Who said zone is not defense? You, in as many words when you looked at these methods of "controlling" a game as not worthy of discussion. You seem to believe there is no value in not applying pressure. There is real value in "controlling" a game. 85-15 tells me that, while you were obviously better, you weren't good enough to control a game, because you couldn't even control yourself.
What personal achievement was accomplished in this game that was more important than the team goal? See aforementioned comments about individual career and game records.
Did their 2 time all stater go for 50 points and 20 rebounds?
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