Run4Fun2009 wrote:If they seed, they'll have to use a formula to do so (much like the QRF or SD's seed points)...as we've noticed the QRF still favors the small town Richland. Its a qualitative ranking formula...and seeds will be determined from that.
If I were to seed and use a playoff format, I'd use the Michigan (MHSAA) playoff system with playoff points for seeding (my playoff format based on this is farther down the page). The playoff point system in the MHSAA goes as follows:
80 points for a win over a Class A team, 64 points for a win over a Class B team, 48 for a win over a Class C team, 32 for a win over a Class D team, and no points for a loss. They also have bonus points where for a win each team gets 8 * Opponent wins (the 8 is called the multiplier). A loss results in Opponent Wins - 1. To get the total playoff points for each game, you would take the number of playoff points + (bonus points / number of games the opponent played). Add that total up for the whole season and divide it by the number of games the team played to get that teams playoff points. All playoff point values are taken to the thousandth (3 numbers after the decimal point).
So to modify it using North Dakota football classes, I would use:
- 80 points for a win over a Class AAA team
- 64 points for a win over a Class AA team
- 48 points for a win over a Class A team
- 32 points for a win over a 9-man team
- 16 points for a win over a JV or Independent team (updated)
- 0 points for a loss
All games would be factored in and not just region games. Out of state schools would use an equivalent (i.e.: all SD 9-man would be 9-man, SD 11B would be Class A, MT 11A would be Class AA, etc...). Also only games during that classes regular season window would count toward the playoff point calculation (i.e.: Kindred's first 7 games would only count toward Richland's playoff point calculation or Lemmon's first six games would count for Hettinger/Scranton, GC/Flasher, and Bowman County).
So for example, Hankinson defeated Mott-Regent in Week 1. Hankinson finished 7-1 and Mott-Regent finished 5-2. Hankinson earned 32 points and 5.714 bonus points for a total of 37.714 playoff points for that game. Meanwhile, Mott-Regent earned 0 points and 0.750 bonus points for a total of 0.750 playoff points for that game. Here's the mathematical breakdown:
Hankinson: 32 + ((5 * 8 )/7) = 37.714. The 32 represents a win over a 9-man opponent, the 5 represents the number of wins M-R had during the season, the 8 is the bonus point multiplier for a win, and 7 is the number of games M-R played during the season.
Mott-Regent: 0 + ((6 * 1)/8) = 0.750. M-R received 0 points for the loss, 6 represents the bonus points for the loss (7 wins minus 1), the 1 is the bonus point multiplier for a loss, and 8 is the number of game Hankinson played during the season.
Do that for every game throughout the season and take the average of the points earned and add that to the number of bonus points to get that teams total playoff points. So for Hankinson finishing 7-1, they averaged 28 points ((32*7)/8) and had 24.589 bonus points for a total playoff point value of 52.589.
You can do this game-by-game throughout the season and not just at the end of the season.
Finally, for my playoff proposal
. With the current system in place, here is what I would do for 9-man:
- Two super regions (SR's) would be created with Regions 1-3 being the East SR while Regions 4-6 would be the West SR for seeding purposes
- The top 3 teams out of each region would automatically qualify based on region record (9 per SR)
- The final three teams in each SR would be wildcards and determined by playoff points regardless of what region they are in
- If three or more teams have the same record in the region, playoff points would be used instead of point differential to break the tie (H2H would still be the first criteria)
- If two teams in the same region are tied in playoff points then the same criteria would be used as the one being used currently
- If two or more teams from different regions are tied in playoff points then the tiebreaker would go as follows:
- Head-to-head record
- Region finish
- Opponent Win % (Strength of Schedule)
- Region Opp Win % (Region SOS)
- Coin flip
- Region champions would automatically get 1st round byes
- The top non-region champion in each SR based on playoff points would get the other remaining bye
- All teams within their SR would be seeded 1-12 with the 1-4 seeds going to the teams who achieved a 1st round bye
- Home field advantage is determined by the higher playoff point value
- Teams from the same region CAN play each other in the 1st round
- The first two rounds are played within the SR
- After the second round, the remaining eight teams are re-seeded 1-8 regardless of SR based on playoff points
In this system, Central McLean would've made the playoffs over Wyndmere/Lidgerwood in the East (28.625 to 26.875) and Trenton/Trinity Christian would've made it over Drake-Anamoose in the West (18.250 to 17.625). So here is how my system would've worked this season:
East Super RegionTeam (Record, PlayPts)
#1 Richland (8-0, 64.429)
#2 Shiloh Christian (8-0, 63.000)
#3 Thompson (8-0, 53.000)
#4 Linton/HMB (7-1, 52.875)*
#5 Cavalier (7-1, 52.875)
#6 Hankinson (7-1, 52.589)
#7 Strasburg/Zeeland (6-2, 40.625)
#8 LaMoure/Litchville-Marion (6-2, 39.625)
#9 New Rockford-Sheyenne (5-3, 34.500)
#10 North Border (5-3, 34.125) - Wildcard
#11 Napoleon/Gackle-Streeter (4-4, 29.500) - Wildcard
#12 Central McLean (4-4, 28.625) - Wildcard
* - Linton/HMB won tiebreaker over Cavalier based on Region Opp Win % (.482 to .479)
West Super Region#1 North Prairie (8-0, 59.000)
#2 Mohall-Lansford-Sherwood (7-1, 50.750)
#3 TGU (7-1, 47.875)
#4 Hettinger/Scranton (6-2, 45.000)
#5 Mott-Regent (5-2, 39.518)
#6 Richardton-Taylor/Hebron (5-3, 36.107)
#7 Divide County (5-3, 34.000)
#8 Kenmare/Bowbells/BC (5-3, 33.625)*
#9 Tioga (5-3, 33.625) - Wildcard
#10 New Salem/Glen Ullin (5-3, 30.000) - Wildcard
#11 St. John (4-4, 26.875)
#12 Trenton/Trinity Christian (3-5, 18.250) - Wildcard
* - Kenmare wins tiebreaker over Tioga based on H2H victory
Projected/Actual winners in
bold1st Round#9E New Rockford-Sheyenne @
#8E LaMoure/Litchville-Marion#12E Central McLean @
#5E Cavalier#11E Napoleon/Gackle-Streeter @
#6E Hankinson#10E North Border @
#7E Strasburg/Zeeland#9W Tioga @
#8W Kenmare/Bowbells/Burke Central#12W Trenton/Trinity Christian @
#5W Mott-Regent#11W St. John @
#6W Richardton-Taylor/Hebron#10W New Salem/Glen Ullin @ #7W Divide County
2nd Round#8E LaMoure/Litchville-Marion @
#1E Richland#5E Cavalier @ #4E Linton/HMB
#6E Hankinson @
#3E Thompson#7E Strasburg/Zeeland @
#2E Shiloh Christian#8W Kenmare/Bowbells/Burke Central @
#1W North Prairie#5W Mott-Regent @
#4W Hettinger/Scranton#6W Richardton-Taylor/Hebron @ #3W TGU
#10W New Salem/Glen Ullin @ #2W Mohall-Lansford-Sherwood
QuarterfinalsNote: ALL teams are re-seeded based on playoff points
G1: #8 New Salem/Glen Ullin @ #1 Richland
G2: #5 Cavalier @ #4 Thompson
G3: #6 Hettinger/Scranton @ #3 North Prairie
G4: #7 Richardton-Taylor/Hebron @ #2 Shiloh Christian
After this, bracket continues on as normal...
Lots to digest. Let me know if you have questions on the playoff points. This sounds very confusing, but after getting the hang of it then it is pretty easy to understand. It would be a great formula to use for seeding playoffs here in ND and easy to make in a Google Doc or Excel document to track each teams progress.
This system also benefits teams who play in a tough region with playoff berths over teams who don't deserve to go because they finished in the top 4 in their region. This system could also be used without super regions and seed the whole tournament 1-24 and still have the top 3 in each region auto-qualify and the six wildcards being from any part of the state.
So that is how I would make the playoff system for 9-man at least. I would do it similar in all the 11-man divisions. But I'll save that for another day.