balla45 wrote:Torn ACL and Meniscus.
scoobyx2 wrote:balla45 wrote:Torn ACL and Meniscus.
Being very familiar with a torn ACL, I was really surprised to see Two-Bears on the floor at state. The recovery after surgery seems relatively quick, but to get to even 80% takes a lot of rehab. I don't really understand why parents would even allow the athlete to play so soon. I just heard that a player re-injuried a broke foot in Class A basketball after breaking his foot late in the football season. I think too many parents are watching too much professional sports.
d_fense wrote:scoobyx2 wrote:balla45 wrote:Torn ACL and Meniscus.
Being very familiar with a torn ACL, I was really surprised to see Two-Bears on the floor at state. The recovery after surgery seems relatively quick, but to get to even 80% takes a lot of rehab. I don't really understand why parents would even allow the athlete to play so soon. I just heard that a player re-injuried a broke foot in Class A basketball after breaking his foot late in the football season. I think too many parents are watching too much professional sports.
Balla45 is right. I see nothing wrong with Two-Bears playing and wouldn't try to stop any player in her situation from doing the same. There are high school player who play an entire season with torn ACL's. They are typically wear large braces and are girls.
As far as the Class A football/basketball player goes, they didn't break the same spot. People with foot problems, tend to have more foot problems. Where the original bone was broken would be stronger after the break than before.
I don't under stand the comment about parents watching to much professional sports.... If you are trying to say professionals come back to soon, I don't think that is the case. More often I think they sit to long because they are being paid and are trying to save themselves to maximize their next deal. If you are trying to say that professionals heal faster than high school kids, I don't' think that is the case at all. The younger you are the faster you heal. Rehabbing is a different story. Professionals tend to rehab harder because; it is their job, they have nothing else (no other job) to do, and they know what working out hard is all about or they would have never made it to the pros.
easterner wrote:in two bears case, she wasn't able to do anything on the court(i think she had like 4 points all tourney). So why risk it.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:easterner wrote:in two bears case, she wasn't able to do anything on the court(i think she had like 4 points all tourney). So why risk it.
Cause she's a player! She wanted to be out there with her team and the team wanted her on the court.
easterner wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:easterner wrote:in two bears case, she wasn't able to do anything on the court(i think she had like 4 points all tourney). So why risk it.
Cause she's a player! She wanted to be out there with her team and the team wanted her on the court.
So if you were a coach you would let your kids dictate what to do? We all have tried to play through something but after that first game , if i was a coach i would have said NO, not playing any more. Especially if she didn't help at all and actually hurt the team, defense didn't really even play her, no need to. This is high school sports, not college or pro's. Big difference. I had a orthopedist tell me once, if a player needs a brace to play or some type of support, then they are not ready. His reasoning kinda made sense, "the little muscles will never truly heal if supports are used because they muscles will rely on the support too much and thus causing scar tissue to form over and over again and then long term damage sets in." But my opinion is just that, opinion based on a surgeons words. Lets just hope no long term damage happened for a short term gain.
nolan4 wrote:easterner wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:easterner wrote:in two bears case, she wasn't able to do anything on the court(i think she had like 4 points all tourney). So why risk it.
Cause she's a player! She wanted to be out there with her team and the team wanted her on the court.
So if you were a coach you would let your kids dictate what to do? We all have tried to play through something but after that first game , if i was a coach i would have said NO, not playing any more. Especially if she didn't help at all and actually hurt the team, defense didn't really even play her, no need to. This is high school sports, not college or pro's. Big difference. I had a orthopedist tell me once, if a player needs a brace to play or some type of support, then they are not ready. His reasoning kinda made sense, "the little muscles will never truly heal if supports are used because they muscles will rely on the support too much and thus causing scar tissue to form over and over again and then long term damage sets in." But my opinion is just that, opinion based on a surgeons words. Lets just hope no long term damage happened for a short term gain.
Well in Two Bears case , i MIGHT agree, but in general, wearing a brace is just for a short period of time, to protect for that hour or 2 of playing time, or actually just a play or two that could cause damage.........i once had a son who didnt want to wear a brace, but did to protect from that one or two times that something could happen, but its not like they are wearing a brace 24/7, so the muscles and or tendons or whatever is injured is healing..................kids want to play, and yes it is up to the coach to decide if they help your team or not in their condition.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:nolan4 wrote:easterner wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:easterner wrote:in two bears case, she wasn't able to do anything on the court(i think she had like 4 points all tourney). So why risk it.
Cause she's a player! She wanted to be out there with her team and the team wanted her on the court.
So if you were a coach you would let your kids dictate what to do? We all have tried to play through something but after that first game , if i was a coach i would have said NO, not playing any more. Especially if she didn't help at all and actually hurt the team, defense didn't really even play her, no need to. This is high school sports, not college or pro's. Big difference. I had a orthopedist tell me once, if a player needs a brace to play or some type of support, then they are not ready. His reasoning kinda made sense, "the little muscles will never truly heal if supports are used because they muscles will rely on the support too much and thus causing scar tissue to form over and over again and then long term damage sets in." But my opinion is just that, opinion based on a surgeons words. Lets just hope no long term damage happened for a short term gain.
Well in Two Bears case , i MIGHT agree, but in general, wearing a brace is just for a short period of time, to protect for that hour or 2 of playing time, or actually just a play or two that could cause damage.........i once had a son who didnt want to wear a brace, but did to protect from that one or two times that something could happen, but its not like they are wearing a brace 24/7, so the muscles and or tendons or whatever is injured is healing..................kids want to play, and yes it is up to the coach to decide if they help your team or not in their condition.
1. If a doctor gave permission that she could play...then yes I'd consider it.
2. If the school administration gives permission...then I'm 95% saying yes.
3. If the teammates want her on the floor with them...then she's playing and I'm setting a game plan for her that is safe but still gives her the chance to play with her friends.
This situation is not as rare as you are making it seem easterner/radball. The key is my #1 above. If there is no way to hurt it any more and she is cleared by a doctor then the 'ball starts rolling'.
scoobyx2 wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:nolan4 wrote:easterner wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:easterner wrote:in two bears case, she wasn't able to do anything on the court(i think she had like 4 points all tourney). So why risk it.
Cause she's a player! She wanted to be out there with her team and the team wanted her on the court.
So if you were a coach you would let your kids dictate what to do? We all have tried to play through something but after that first game , if i was a coach i would have said NO, not playing any more. Especially if she didn't help at all and actually hurt the team, defense didn't really even play her, no need to. This is high school sports, not college or pro's. Big difference. I had a orthopedist tell me once, if a player needs a brace to play or some type of support, then they are not ready. His reasoning kinda made sense, "the little muscles will never truly heal if supports are used because they muscles will rely on the support too much and thus causing scar tissue to form over and over again and then long term damage sets in." But my opinion is just that, opinion based on a surgeons words. Lets just hope no long term damage happened for a short term gain.
Well in Two Bears case , i MIGHT agree, but in general, wearing a brace is just for a short period of time, to protect for that hour or 2 of playing time, or actually just a play or two that could cause damage.........i once had a son who didnt want to wear a brace, but did to protect from that one or two times that something could happen, but its not like they are wearing a brace 24/7, so the muscles and or tendons or whatever is injured is healing..................kids want to play, and yes it is up to the coach to decide if they help your team or not in their condition.
1. If a doctor gave permission that she could play...then yes I'd consider it.
2. If the school administration gives permission...then I'm 95% saying yes.
3. If the teammates want her on the floor with them...then she's playing and I'm setting a game plan for her that is safe but still gives her the chance to play with her friends.
This situation is not as rare as you are making it seem easterner/radball. The key is my #1 above. If there is no way to hurt it any more and she is cleared by a doctor then the 'ball starts rolling'.
In the past, it wasn't a huge deal that someone played hurt. Athletes did it all the time because most high school athletes were done after high school. Now, top athletes are facing the chance to get thousands of dollars in scholarship money to go to college. I agree that #1 is the main criteria, but I would replace #2 with the parents (who signed off on any liability), and #3 would be the administration. It's hard to tell an athlete they can't play which is why schools now have to follow rules concerning concussions. Most adults have a hard time making adult decisions for their kids.
DiggerDan wrote:Posts made by "easterner" in the Ms. Basketball and State Tournament threads on March 2 and March 10 are now listed as being made by "radball". Go back and look at them - The original posts say they are made by radball but when that post is quoted by someone else, it shows as being made by easterner.
Something fishy is going on.
Here's a screenshot:
http://awesomescreenshot.com/0014neyk5e
balla45 wrote:You would be correct. I started changing all of easterner's post to radball as they are the same poster. One unique thing about our edit feature is that if we log in to view the details of a post, it shows us other posters who have posted from that same machine, same i.p., etc, but there are a few options. When I open up one of easterner's posts, it shows that the only other person who has posted from that machine is radball.
I have been personally been a moderator on this site for a very long time. I have banned very few people. I would have had no issue with radball/easterner posting if he had not lied about being a D1 scout. It does not even really bother me that he lies about being related to Marx. I think it is cool that he has so much passion for her accomplishments and is proud. I just take issue with blatantly lying about being a D1 coach.
I sign my name to all of my posts as I think it is fair. I rarely will look in to who people are, as I think one thing that makes this site fun is anonymity. That said, people who use the anonymous status to impersonate other people bother me and ruin it for the other posters.
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