balla45 wrote:Would it be difficult to combine the tournaments? We could establish three permanent sites and rotate. Bismarck, Fargo, and Minot. All three locations have the ability and capacity to host a dual gender tournament.
Bisonguy06 wrote:Correct. A school at the minimum of 325 in class 'A' is looking at a multiplier of 4 against all the other largest schools not named Minot High.
There are very few 'B' schools larger than 200 (which helps explain why we don't have a 3 class system, by the way), and very few below 50 students. Again you're looking at a multiplier of 4 or so unless you have the real outliers. There are entire regions that don't have a school in the 200s.
Again, no perfect system exists, but the one we have seems reasonably balanced.
heimer wrote:Lets make this simple.
Someone produce numbers on the last time any of the following failed to advance to regionals:
Central Cass
Grafton
Fargo Oak Grove
Minot Ryan
Dickinson Trinity
Beulah
Hazen
Watford City
Our Redeemers
Then, give me a percentage of year's they have advanced to regionals in the past 20 years, compared to other schools in their district.
heimer wrote:There are plenty of teams that are viable, truly B-sized schools that will never play in the regionals, or the regional semis, because of another loss to Central Cass or Grafton or Minot Ryan or Fargo Oak Grove or Bismarck Shiloh Christian or Dickinson Trinity (and on and on).
yellowjacket wrote:I think it means more to the small class b schools when they knock off the big B's to get to state. It may not happen as often, but when it does its a great story and something the town will talk about for a long time. I think if you water down the product to much it just isn't as good. There may be years when the B has a lot of large schools and years there aren't, but when a small town has that magical run it means so much. I'm from a small B which hasn't had much success recently, but is on the verge of being a contender again. I can't wait to start seeing them beat some of the so called big B's in the coming years.
heimer wrote:Lets make this simple.
Someone produce numbers on the last time any of the following failed to advance to regionals:
Central Cass
Grafton
Fargo Oak Grove
Minot Ryan
Dickinson Trinity
Beulah
Hazen
Watford City
Our Redeemers
Then, give me a percentage of year's they have advanced to regionals in the past 20 years, compared to other schools in their district.
Your eyes will be opened.
Until then, keep your eyes closed. The target isn't moving, you're just not looking at it. Can't help it if you refuse to aim.
Indy5 wrote:heimer wrote:There are plenty of teams that are viable, truly B-sized schools that will never play in the regionals, or the regional semis, because of another loss to Central Cass or Grafton or Minot Ryan or Fargo Oak Grove or Bismarck Shiloh Christian or Dickinson Trinity (and on and on).
Ok now. If you don't make the regional tournament, odds are you are not a viable team. 64 teams out of a little over 100 make the region tournament. If you can't fall in the top 64, you are not good.
I realize once in a little while there is a stacked district where the 5th team might be pretty good, but for the most part the 4 seeds in the region tournament are not good teams. We're talking about schools in the bottom half of the state here.
heimer wrote:Lets make this simple.
Someone produce numbers on the last time any of the following failed to advance to regionals:
Central Cass
Grafton
Fargo Oak Grove
Minot Ryan
Dickinson Trinity
Beulah
Hazen
Watford City
Our Redeemers
Then, give me a percentage of year's they have advanced to regionals in the past 20 years, compared to other schools in their district.
Your eyes will be opened.
Until then, keep your eyes closed. The target isn't moving, you're just not looking at it. Can't help it if you refuse to aim.
classB4ever wrote:I have a question and it may have been addressed before, but haven't seen the answer. The topic of litigation has came up if the NDHSAA were to ever use a multiplier concerning certain schools. However, isn't the NDHSAA using a multiplier right now when using the "Free & Reduced Meals" to adjust enrollment concerning athletics? I understand "the why", but one could argue that those disadvantages are no different on one end of the spectrum than the other.
balla45 wrote:heimer wrote:Lets make this simple.
Someone produce numbers on the last time any of the following failed to advance to regionals:
Central Cass
Grafton
Fargo Oak Grove
Minot Ryan
Dickinson Trinity
Beulah
Hazen
Watford City
Our Redeemers
Then, give me a percentage of year's they have advanced to regionals in the past 20 years, compared to other schools in their district.
Your eyes will be opened.
Until then, keep your eyes closed. The target isn't moving, you're just not looking at it. Can't help it if you refuse to aim.
Lets make this simple.
Someone produce numbers on the last time any of the following failed to advance to state for 3 consecutive seasons:
Bismarck
Fargo South
Minot
West Fargo
Bismack Century
Fargo North
Mandan
Grand Forks Red River
Then, give me a percentage of year's they have advanced to state in the past 20 years, compared to other schools in their class.
Your eyes will be opened.
Until then, keep your eyes closed. The target isn't moving, you're just not looking at it. Can't help it if you refuse to aim.
Using your logic, we should create a different class for the other Class A teams because these teams make state every year, and Devil's Lake and Turtle Mountain should not be forced to compete with them.
balla45 wrote:Yes. I would love to continue to argue. I think your opinion and mine differ in a major way. I do not think the Class A tournament would be better if teams that were not better than the Metro teams automatically qualified just because they are smaller. 3 classes with 3 titles I can live with. 3 classes with 2 titles seems pointless. If I am Minot of last year, I don't get to play in the state tournament, but Shiloh or Bishop Ryan might. And we are competing for the same title, even though I would beat either of those teams fairlu comfortably.
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