Broadway Joe wrote:It was great to watch Bismarck and Minot play in the class B girls championship game!
Sniper wrote:winner-within wrote:I like seeing the Native girls and Boys Playing for Shiloh, there was certainly a day when you wouldnt have seen it, It also gave them a chance to beat an undefeated team that everybody had winning by 20....congrats to all the teams...good tourney!!...looking forward to it being the early one next season...
Having people transfer there also doesn't give any teams in there own region who have played together since grade school a chance to go to state. It would be very disappointing if you had a good team that's been together for a long time and Shiloh gets to go to state because they got 3 new starters. Private schools are ruining class B basketball IMO.
minotguy715 wrote:IMO State B should be in Bismarck (best venue) or Minot (best class B following) every year, the crowds, or lack thereof in Grand Forks and Fargo are sad to say the least. Region 6 boys tourney had more fans than the State B in boys or girls.(not counting consolation).
ND-is-#1 wrote:minotguy715 wrote:IMO State B should be in Bismarck (best venue) or Minot (best class B following) every year, the crowds, or lack thereof in Grand Forks and Fargo are sad to say the least. Region 6 boys tourney had more fans than the State B in boys or girls.(not counting consolation).
You're saying the region 6 tourney had more fans than the class b boys championship? No way...
Run4Fun2009 wrote:ND-is-#1 wrote:minotguy715 wrote:IMO State B should be in Bismarck (best venue) or Minot (best class B following) every year, the crowds, or lack thereof in Grand Forks and Fargo are sad to say the least. Region 6 boys tourney had more fans than the State B in boys or girls.(not counting consolation).
You're saying the region 6 tourney had more fans than the class b boys championship? No way...
It may have seemed like more because it was a tighter fit in a smaller arena. I highly doubt there were more than 7,000 people their for Region 6 because that was the amount at the Class B BBB Saturday evening session (3rd/Title)
winner-within wrote:Sniper wrote:winner-within wrote:I like seeing the Native girls and Boys Playing for Shiloh, there was certainly a day when you wouldnt have seen it, It also gave them a chance to beat an undefeated team that everybody had winning by 20....congrats to all the teams...good tourney!!...looking forward to it being the early one next season...
Having people transfer there also doesn't give any teams in there own region who have played together since grade school a chance to go to state. It would be very disappointing if you had a good team that's been together for a long time and Shiloh gets to go to state because they got 3 new starters. Private schools are ruining class B basketball IMO.
I totally understand that...who woulda went if not for them in your opinion?
Sniper wrote:winner-within wrote:Sniper wrote:winner-within wrote:I like seeing the Native girls and Boys Playing for Shiloh, there was certainly a day when you wouldnt have seen it, It also gave them a chance to beat an undefeated team that everybody had winning by 20....congrats to all the teams...good tourney!!...looking forward to it being the early one next season...
Having people transfer there also doesn't give any teams in there own region who have played together since grade school a chance to go to state. It would be very disappointing if you had a good team that's been together for a long time and Shiloh gets to go to state because they got 3 new starters. Private schools are ruining class B basketball IMO.
I totally understand that...who woulda went if not for them in your opinion?
Grant County. This is why I think private schools should either have to play A or have their own class. They constantly get new players
Indy5 wrote:Sniper wrote:winner-within wrote:Sniper wrote:winner-within wrote:I like seeing the Native girls and Boys Playing for Shiloh, there was certainly a day when you wouldnt have seen it, It also gave them a chance to beat an undefeated team that everybody had winning by 20....congrats to all the teams...good tourney!!...looking forward to it being the early one next season...
Having people transfer there also doesn't give any teams in there own region who have played together since grade school a chance to go to state. It would be very disappointing if you had a good team that's been together for a long time and Shiloh gets to go to state because they got 3 new starters. Private schools are ruining class B basketball IMO.
I totally understand that...who woulda went if not for them in your opinion?
Grant County. This is why I think private schools should either have to play A or have their own class. They constantly get new players
Can someone please inform me as to how everyone in the state started thinking that Private schools operate like colleges? They don't. Don't say Private schools get new kids every year. No they don't. Shiloh has had a recent slew of transfer. They are the only ones. Bishop Ryan hasn't had a significant transfer since Hannah Stewart came as an 8th grader from Washington (Mom graduated from Ryan). Before that was 2005 when a kid moved from a country in the middle of a civil war. Run already said Oak Grove has had one in 6 years. Can't remember any for Trinity or Our Redeemers. I'm just not seeing these transfers everyone talks about, other than Shiloh's recent run. One school doesn't make a whole group.
I've also seen the argument many times how privates control their enrollment. No they don't. They're all dying out and around/under 150 kids. I promise you they'd gladly, gladly play class A basketball if they could get 325 kids in the school. It's been brought up as to how no one knows their enrollments, and I blame this on administration. See, they are embarrassed by low numbers and want the school to seem like its thriving so they will never use a straight 9-12 number for enrollment, usually 7-12 or 6-12, then people can mistake it for 9-12.
Also, I'm not naive. I know these schools have 1 advantage. That is the fact that their town has more options and more kids to play against. I can't deny this, but it also takes work for those kids to use the advantage. Small town kids who are dedicated find ways to improve themselves as well.
Sniper wrote:
Nobody said they are recruiting like a college, they just get players that transfer there. When I said they are getting transfers every year I was talking about Shiloh. And your probably right that not all of these schools should get punished and blamed for what is going on with Shiloh, but what are we just suppose to let all of this transferring continue? At the end of the day private schools still have more advantages no matter how you look at it. If they played class A then they would get a taste of what it's like to be the disadvantaged team.
NCBBALL wrote:
Can someone elaborate on all the advantages that they say private schools have?
Indy5 wrote:Sniper wrote:
Nobody said they are recruiting like a college, they just get players that transfer there. When I said they are getting transfers every year I was talking about Shiloh. And your probably right that not all of these schools should get punished and blamed for what is going on with Shiloh, but what are we just suppose to let all of this transferring continue? At the end of the day private schools still have more advantages no matter how you look at it. If they played class A then they would get a taste of what it's like to be the disadvantaged team.
What should we do about the transfers? Make it illegal for anyone to ever transfer? You don't have to like it but if they do it legally, there's nothing wrong with it. That's their family's decision to move. Just because Shiloh is private doesn't mean anything. All these kids could just as easily move a public school.
Also, you're telling me that because of one small advantage (that can be overcome by small town kids that are really dedicated) they should be forced to play teams that at best case scenario are 3 times their size (most being 8x or more)?
cometdad wrote:Let's list the advantages - I personally am asking our school board to petition the NDHSAA to push the large city parochial teams out of the B and a list of advantages will help.
1. Private schools typically have more affluent parents that do send their kids through the AAU programs.
2. Large city college programs are allowing kids whose parents are donors to practice with their teams (the three New Town girls are practicing up at Mary and even had a chunk of the U of Mary team at the region championship cheering them on. I know the Hansted boys also practiced with DSU - that's class A but shows that this isn't an isolated instance of one college).
3. Immediate access to the acceleration programs offered by the major medical facilities in cities.
4. Transfers - I don't believe there is recruiting and think we class B towns shoot our own arguments in the foot by this always being the first topic raised. There are definitely well documented transfer problems at Shiloh though and it's a given that they weren't transferred for "faith based" schooling.
5. Money spent on sports programs by the parochial schools (and not just on facilities). If you look at the Shiloh/Ryan/Oak Grove schedules you'll notice that they'll travel great distances to play stiffer competition. The schools in our district are even consolidating boys/girls games into one night to try and keep travel costs down so that they can live within the tax bases budget.
6. Money spent on coaching - Shiloh has 4 coaches and the small towns in our district budget for 2. We had three this year but only because our elementary coach did it for free while trying to gain some high school experience.
There is some real animosity growing, at least in our region, about this problem and I was ecstatic that Sherm Sylling was on hand to witness the ABS (Anyone But Shiloh) sentiment that has taken over. Since he's retiring I hope he is passing it on to the other board members. Grant County had a great sign that went something like "home grown talent - small town pride" and all the other communities in the region were cheering on the Coyotes. Any other advantages people can give would definitely be appreciated and I'll post my letter to the Underwood school board in case anyone else wants to use it to encourage their board to speak up.
Sportsrube wrote:As of a few years ago I know that private schools paid their teachers much less than public schools and their benefits were much less also. If that is still the case, I doubt they would be paying their coaches more than public schools do. Unless the fundraisers they do for their athletic programs are also used to help pay their coaches. (Which is a possibility) At one time, I am pretty sure all of the assistant coaches at Shiloh were volunteers and the only one who was paid was the head coach, but that was before they built the new school and played all their home games at St. Josephs over in Mandan. (Which was a horrible gym to play in.)
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