bronco99 wrote:So all them people on shanleys side with head sets on and clipboards r just what.....? Last I seen them play I ran out of fingers counting them, and I have more than 7 fingers so give me a break.
DobbinsND wrote:Sorry to come to the conversation late. A few comments - I'm not sure where the enrollment numbers came from (or if they are just old), but Shanley currently has around 330 students. Still, this makes them only about half to a quarter of the enrollment of AAA schools. I am a Shanley FB parent. You are right - there are only 7 coaches, but some of them double up to coach JV and HS as well. The others on the field are trainers, stats takers, the athletic director and sometimes parents helping out. I might add another challenge for parochial schools in the larger cities is losing good players to AAA schools in town. The Davies Eagle FB stars, Aiden and Tristan Hartness, were lured away from Shanley because of Hockey (which Shanley doesn't have). Tradition and school pride play a big role also. Around 75% of Shanley students participate in at least 2 extracurricular activities. Still, with a smaller school, the talent pool can change from year to year. We are very fortunate to have a very athletic junior class at this time.
Bluecoach wrote:All 4 of the teams in the semi's should be playing in AAA. It is ridiculous that they play against Class B towns.
bronco99 wrote:Don't really know that the kids r better its that them four schools can afford a lot more coaches and that does make a difference. If 2a is for class b schools which is in my book rural north Dakota then by no means should they be playin on artificial turf. Class b can't afford that
d_fense wrote:Everyone gets paid less at a private school, everyone. Administration, teachers, coaches, custodians, secretaries, and cooks.
Flip, to me you made it sound like private schools all have plenty of money.
Flip wrote:I know some private schools struggle make ends meet, but I don't think Shiloh is one of those schools. Maybe they can find some donations so they can have one at the semifinal game.
Bluecoach wrote:Looks like I started a bit of debate. My point is not so much enrollment issues. I understand some of that while at the same time enrollment is not driven by population of the town but somewhat by self controlled limits. My main point is this. Athletes from larger ND cities, such as Bismarck, Minot, Fargo, (not so much Wahpeton) have access to so many more opportunities than the average class B school. Many of these kids are participating in organized tackle fb, summer vb/bb leagues and the such at a very young age. Most small town athletes don't have access to that in their development stages. An argument was made that these school lose there best athletes to the larger AAA schools in town. That may be true but on the flip side, how many athletes come to the private school because they might be fringe players at the larger schools. I don't know the answer to this and will admit my ignorance and am only asking as the other side was mentioned..
Why is it accepted that these schools participate in class A in all other sports but with FB they do not. Do you remember what an outcry there was when Valley City was dropped to Class B for all sports?
Some have argued it is the result of needing to fill out the leagues. This has merit also. But does 14 teams in AAA make any sense? Why not 16?
There is no solution to the problem with bubble teams. It happens at all levels.
Indy5 wrote:Bluecoach wrote:Looks like I started a bit of debate. My point is not so much enrollment issues. I understand some of that while at the same time enrollment is not driven by population of the town but somewhat by self controlled limits. My main point is this. Athletes from larger ND cities, such as Bismarck, Minot, Fargo, (not so much Wahpeton) have access to so many more opportunities than the average class B school. Many of these kids are participating in organized tackle fb, summer vb/bb leagues and the such at a very young age. Most small town athletes don't have access to that in their development stages. An argument was made that these school lose there best athletes to the larger AAA schools in town. That may be true but on the flip side, how many athletes come to the private school because they might be fringe players at the larger schools. I don't know the answer to this and will admit my ignorance and am only asking as the other side was mentioned..
Why is it accepted that these schools participate in class A in all other sports but with FB they do not. Do you remember what an outcry there was when Valley City was dropped to Class B for all sports?
Some have argued it is the result of needing to fill out the leagues. This has merit also. But does 14 teams in AAA make any sense? Why not 16?
There is no solution to the problem with bubble teams. It happens at all levels.
Kids very very rarely ever transfer from the public school to the private school due to lack of playing time. One big reason is the transfer rule. They'd need to sit out a year right away, so they'd need to see the writing on the wall probably as freshmen for it to be worth it and how many kids are gonna do that?
Also these schools can play A in other sports because it's a different system. There is a reason football has 4 classes and the other sports have 2. It's a completely different game numbers wise. AA football is not class B. A and 9 man football are class B. AA is small A and big B. There are 5 class A schools in the league. One of the schools you mentioned (Bishop Ryan) has the lowest enrollment by 23 kids. That is including the "coop" with Sawyer. That adds about 25 to 30 boys to the number even though they didn't have a single player from Sawyer in the program. I'm pretty sure their numbers could have them in 9 man but yet you want to put them up against Minot High and their 2,000 kids. Also, why wasn't Trinity an issue? Just cause they were bad this year? Their a private in a major city. What about Belcourt? They play class A in other sports. Valley City?
What about Shiloh? They are a 9 man team in the big city of Bismarck. Surely, that's unfair. Better schedule BHS. Or how about Oak Grove? They're in Fargo (FARGO wow!). They used to be AA now they're 9 man. They must win state right? You'll have to check with Run, but I doubt they've had a winning record since winning state. What about Our Redeemers? Their a private school in Minot, plus they coop with Berthold. With those kind of numbers and advantages they should win state at AAA.
maddog1971 wrote:First of all .... yes most of the bigger schools get winning programs. It is about money in the programs for the kids and staff that is willing to put in the time. They can not compete at the higher level. AAA does not have any more than 1 or 2 weak players on the field at a time. AA has any where from 3-5 weak players they have to hide.
The fact is you are playing where you are playing. Man up... step up and knockem in the mouth.
I followed the Kindred Program this year because I have a nephew playing. Those kids never used the size of the schools stop them for strapping it on.
Now do I like these private schoolssssss... no. It always seems all the calls go their way no matter what and in general I think they have poor sportsmanship... as Ryan showed at the end of the Playoff game this year.
Now quit complaining about poor private schools.... Really.... Money pours into the program and yes... many AAA players do go to these schools all the time.
Yes they have great training for these kids in the bigger cities compared to lets say Center ND.
maddog1971 wrote:IF you were at the game, first of all you would have seen all the holding penalties against Kindred in the second half. The whole second have they were second at 20 or 25. Two offensive face masks...... on long running play and as Ryan QB was ripping kids helmets off on the two of his long TD's.
Second if you were on the side line for the second to the last play you could hear what the QB said to one of the LB that started with an F something 56.... and the ref's went after 56 when he went back at them a little.
After game I spoke with some players and ask did I hear what I thought I heard... and they said yep.
Very hard fought game and the Ryan QB is an unreal football talent.
But until the Ref's got involved.
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