DL Satans wrote:I have a couple of thoughts on this. If a coach leaves early, there could be a cash penalty that usually the school getting the coach has to pay. But what about when a coach signs a contract, has some injuries in key positions and has a couple of bad years? Where is the loyalty to them then? It doesn't seem to be extended to those coaches and it happens all the time.
Indy5 wrote:I think they should get paid. I saw in an article that the average cost of living is 3,600 per year. They should at least get paid this. Many come from poor families. They can't have jobs because playing a sport consumes all your time. How are they supposed to live then?
Also, only football and men's basketball players should be paid. Those are the only two sports that actually make money. The rest literally lose money, and those 2 sports have to pay for them. The NCAAPA came up with a plan that could pay each athlete in those two sports 11,000 a year.
bison football73 wrote:
I feel like title 9 would come into play with only paying the two sports. I also researched and found that out of state football players at a top school with 100 percent scholarships get paid 80 dollars an hour for the sport they play. They also get free meals from the college an free room and board. Most colleges also have lounge rooms that provide xbox360's and PS3's. these players will get up to 200,000 dollars of schooling if they attend a four year school and have full rides. So in my opinion they do get paid.
ndlionsfan wrote:http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/260775/group/Sports/
Thought this article in the GF Herald today was interesting. At least some places still use common sense.
Flip wrote:bison football73 wrote:
I feel like title 9 would come into play with only paying the two sports. I also researched and found that out of state football players at a top school with 100 percent scholarships get paid 80 dollars an hour for the sport they play. They also get free meals from the college an free room and board. Most colleges also have lounge rooms that provide xbox360's and PS3's. these players will get up to 200,000 dollars of schooling if they attend a four year school and have full rides. So in my opinion they do get paid.
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DL Satans wrote:I don't think a school would get away with just paying football and basketball players. There is the title IX issues that another posters brought up, and the general equality issues the other players in other sports would have. If you play one, you would pretty much have to pay all.
Indy5 wrote:DL Satans wrote:I don't think a school would get away with just paying football and basketball players. There is the title IX issues that another posters brought up, and the general equality issues the other players in other sports would have. If you play one, you would pretty much have to pay all.
Why do you have to pay all? It is only fair to pay the 2 sports. How fair is it to pay softball players if their program loses $1 million a year when the football team is making $70 million a year. Gender should not matter, it's simply capitalism. If your're program makes money, you are allowed to be paid. If it loses money, you don't get paid.
bison football73 wrote:Flip wrote:bison football73 wrote:
I feel like title 9 would come into play with only paying the two sports. I also researched and found that out of state football players at a top school with 100 percent scholarships get paid 80 dollars an hour for the sport they play. They also get free meals from the college an free room and board. Most colleges also have lounge rooms that provide xbox360's and PS3's. these players will get up to 200,000 dollars of schooling if they attend a four year school and have full rides. So in my opinion they do get paid.
link?
"Let me start the argument by making a proposal to parents and students alike. I am going to ask you to work no more than 20 hours a week for 21 weeks – with at least one mandatory day off every week. For another 23 weeks you'll work no more than eight hours a week. You'll get eight weeks off. (These are all NCAA-mandated time limits).
You will receive fall, spring and both summer sessions of education, plus room, board and all fees paid. For the 604 hours you put in, you'll get an education valued at $33,976 in state and $50,286 out of state (using last year's numbers from Penn State, the latest available). Keep in mind that number does not include several hundred dollars per semester for books and supplies, which are covered under the NCAA scholarship.
At those rates, the student-athlete on full scholarship to Penn State will earn $56.25 per hour if he is an in-state student and $83.25 per hour if he is an out-of-state student."
This is from an article Jay Paterno did a couple years ago. Here's the link if you want to read the full article. http://www.statecollege.com/news/column ... al-766175/
DL Satans wrote:bison football73 wrote:Flip wrote:bison football73 wrote:
I feel like title 9 would come into play with only paying the two sports. I also researched and found that out of state football players at a top school with 100 percent scholarships get paid 80 dollars an hour for the sport they play. They also get free meals from the college an free room and board. Most colleges also have lounge rooms that provide xbox360's and PS3's. these players will get up to 200,000 dollars of schooling if they attend a four year school and have full rides. So in my opinion they do get paid.
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"Let me start the argument by making a proposal to parents and students alike. I am going to ask you to work no more than 20 hours a week for 21 weeks – with at least one mandatory day off every week. For another 23 weeks you'll work no more than eight hours a week. You'll get eight weeks off. (These are all NCAA-mandated time limits).
You will receive fall, spring and both summer sessions of education, plus room, board and all fees paid. For the 604 hours you put in, you'll get an education valued at $33,976 in state and $50,286 out of state (using last year's numbers from Penn State, the latest available). Keep in mind that number does not include several hundred dollars per semester for books and supplies, which are covered under the NCAA scholarship.
At those rates, the student-athlete on full scholarship to Penn State will earn $56.25 per hour if he is an in-state student and $83.25 per hour if he is an out-of-state student."
This is from an article Jay Paterno did a couple years ago. Here's the link if you want to read the full article. http://www.statecollege.com/news/column ... al-766175/
D1 college athletes work more than that, if not in "official" practice than on their own. And the player does not "pocket" that money. The school, in reality isn't out the amounts you gave. One more person or several in a class costs nothing...and the books that the athletes get the school pretty much gives away at cost. The biggest cost is food and lodging.. Now compare what a team like the Crimson Tide bring in... Ever price at ticket to even a non conf game at Bryant-Denny in Tuscaloosa? Look it up. Then look at what tickets go for in the Iron Bowl against Auburn. Then factor in the merchandising...it's HUGE. Hats, tshirts, hoodies you name it. The school gets a cut of all of that. And fans aren't buying it because they love the math dept.
And given what happened in "Happy Valley" I don't know if I would use Joe Paterno as my yard stick in regard to what's right or wrong......
Flip wrote:classB4ever, I can't disagree with anything you said. I don't have answers to all your questions. I don't know what the best solution is, but to say players are greedy for wanting some of the millions that the colleges, NCAA, Adidas and Nikes make off of the players is ridiculous.
Indy5 wrote:classb, I see where your coming from with all the factors. I'm saying pay each player the same. Establish a "cost of living" meter and pay that. I just feel a lot of these kids that come from poor families still really struggle. The education is great and they might be the first ones to get to go to college, but that still doesn't help them live while they are there. They need SOME money and if their families can't help and they can't have jobs, I don't see where it'll come from.
DL Satans wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/260775/group/Sports/
Thought this article in the GF Herald today was interesting. At least some places still use common sense.
I would tend to agree. Keeping the faith with your coaches also goes a long way toward attracting a new coach if you fire the old one. The incoming coach then knows he/she has the full support of the school. Loyalty is a door that swings both ways, and SU honored it's agreement with that coach.
So often, an injury plagued team isn't taken into account when an AD makes the decision to fire. This is why I don't blame a lot of coaches who decide to leave and go to a bigger and better program. They know you are only as valued as your last season. Tubby Smith was mentioned in the article, and he's a great example...he came off a very good season and got fired as was the coach at UCLA who actually won the PAC 12. It also makes sense in dollars and cents. Hey, if a coach loses and continues to lose but works for the length of the contract, both (the coach and school) can part with no hurt feelings with both knowing they kept up their end. It just didn't work out, that's life. I say well done by NDSU, this is how it should be but so very often isn't.
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