NDplayin wrote:I would hope people recognize things are different than they were in the 70's and 80's. Population dynamics more than any other factor is responsible for that. However, the fact that things are different doesn't mean that a 2 class system is not the best current system, and it most certainly doesn't mean that choosing any different system would restore things to the way they were in the 70s and 80s. To think that such a restoration could actually happen is to have blinders on.
winner-within wrote:NDplayin wrote:I would hope people recognize things are different than they were in the 70's and 80's. Population dynamics more than any other factor is responsible for that. However, the fact that things are different doesn't mean that a 2 class system is not the best current system, and it most certainly doesn't mean that choosing any different system would restore things to the way they were in the 70s and 80s. To think that such a restoration could actually happen is to have blinders on.
I did not say that things were simply different, I said that there has been changes made that changed the dynamics...and the only move I would vote in is ONE Class....Sophomores and older can play and or dress on Varsity both Girls and Boys.
Indy5 wrote:winner-within wrote:NDplayin wrote:I would hope people recognize things are different than they were in the 70's and 80's. Population dynamics more than any other factor is responsible for that. However, the fact that things are different doesn't mean that a 2 class system is not the best current system, and it most certainly doesn't mean that choosing any different system would restore things to the way they were in the 70s and 80s. To think that such a restoration could actually happen is to have blinders on.
I did not say that things were simply different, I said that there has been changes made that changed the dynamics...and the only move I would vote in is ONE Class....Sophomores and older can play and or dress on Varsity both Girls and Boys.
So you don't think frehsman should be allowed to play varsity?
Indy5 wrote:winner-within wrote:NDplayin wrote:I would hope people recognize things are different than they were in the 70's and 80's. Population dynamics more than any other factor is responsible for that. However, the fact that things are different doesn't mean that a 2 class system is not the best current system, and it most certainly doesn't mean that choosing any different system would restore things to the way they were in the 70s and 80s. To think that such a restoration could actually happen is to have blinders on.
I did not say that things were simply different, I said that there has been changes made that changed the dynamics...and the only move I would vote in is ONE Class....Sophomores and older can play and or dress on Varsity both Girls and Boys.
So you don't think frehsman should be allowed to play varsity?
winner-within wrote:Indy5 wrote:winner-within wrote:NDplayin wrote:I would hope people recognize things are different than they were in the 70's and 80's. Population dynamics more than any other factor is responsible for that. However, the fact that things are different doesn't mean that a 2 class system is not the best current system, and it most certainly doesn't mean that choosing any different system would restore things to the way they were in the 70s and 80s. To think that such a restoration could actually happen is to have blinders on.
I did not say that things were simply different, I said that there has been changes made that changed the dynamics...and the only move I would vote in is ONE Class....Sophomores and older can play and or dress on Varsity both Girls and Boys.
So you don't think frehsman should be allowed to play varsity?
Nope...Plenty of time to Play...these Programs focusing on total points in a career and Playing the Freshman and 8th graders because their the Coaches kid or the Superintendents kid is Bogus....the exception could be, prior to the Season an agility and aptitude test could be given to a Freshman wanting to play up....definitely no 8th graders....I've seen to many programs loose out building a true team by bringing up so called future superstars to early....And if NDHSAA want to one class you will need bulk and smarts to compete...which is IMO Sophomores JR Seniors.
heimer wrote:If you're not going to eliminate the lowest three or four weight classes in wrestling, then eliminating freshman and below from varsity minutes in basketball will not fly. Under most circumstances, the lowest weight classes are full of seventh and eighth graders. I've often wondered if it's wise to put them out there against the occasional junior or senior (Century had a senior at 112 this year), but if it is okay in a combative sport like wrestling, I can't see it being a problem in basketball.
At some point, kids have to learn that you don't just get to play because of your age level. If the kid is better, play him over an older kid. Both learn a good lesson, and the team is probably better.
winner-within wrote:one of the points Balla brought up has always hit home with me too....and that is, Turtle Mountain.....instead of designing a class that would entertain/intertwine them and the bigs of ClassB .....why not persuade the consolidations of more Class B towns to come together to have 450 to 550 kids in Highschool (cut off @ 600)
Then the privates could open up the doors to more Catholics or Lutherans and pump up their enrollments to compete with the schools who consolidate up.....and the ones that are froze in Class A as we speak.
winner-within wrote:one of the points Balla brought up has always hit home with me too....and that is, Turtle Mountain.....instead of designing a class that would entertain/intertwine them and the bigs of ClassB .....why not persuade the consolidations of more Class B towns to come together to have 450 to 550 kids in Highschool (cut off @ 600)
Then the privates could open up the doors to more Catholics or Lutherans and pump up their enrollments to compete with the schools who consolidate up.....and the ones that are froze in Class A as we speak.
Mike Ditka wrote:winner-within wrote:one of the points Balla brought up has always hit home with me too....and that is, Turtle Mountain.....instead of designing a class that would entertain/intertwine them and the bigs of ClassB .....why not persuade the consolidations of more Class B towns to come together to have 450 to 550 kids in Highschool (cut off @ 600)
Then the privates could open up the doors to more Catholics or Lutherans and pump up their enrollments to compete with the schools who consolidate up.....and the ones that are froze in Class A as we speak.
Consolidations just can't randomly come together....Let's use District 13 as an example. If Bowman Cty (100ish), Hettinger/Scranton (100ish), New England (50ish), and Mott-Regent (80ish) all came together, that may be about that many kids...but are you kidding me?! They are all scattered in about a 100 mile radius...you can't just hope to kill all the small schools just for the sake of competing, plus make kids travel all over just for practice.....Come on MAN.
LBC wrote:In addition, all there are limits, one of the things I thought was supposed to be important in High School athletics was about participation, not winning. If you start consolidating just to reach 450 - 550 kids. How many kids who may have participated are no longer going to be given the opportunity?
ndlionsfan wrote:Your idea makes absolutely no sense and is such a backward way of thinking that its laughable. Ask all your buddies in Cavalier if they would like to go to school in Langdon or Grafton and see what response you get. Now double that distance in the western 2/3 of the state and its even more ludicrous. If people feel their kids are at such a disadvantage in a smaller town in ND they would just up and move to one of the larger cities. Some people have done that yes, but for the most part people choose to live in the smaller towns for the many advantages there is over the larger cities.
winner-within wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:Your idea makes absolutely no sense and is such a backward way of thinking that its laughable. Ask all your buddies in Cavalier if they would like to go to school in Langdon or Grafton and see what response you get. Now double that distance in the western 2/3 of the state and its even more ludicrous. If people feel their kids are at such a disadvantage in a smaller town in ND they would just up and move to one of the larger cities. Some people have done that yes, but for the most part people choose to live in the smaller towns for the many advantages there is over the larger cities.
is it really?? Pembina County North already has 5 sports consolidated....Hmm... but yet havent done the 2 main.. Football (which would put them in AA) and BasketBall which would (like in 2001..when NB and Walhalla hooked up and some kids had to sit) make them a true contender @ State this season and the next 10 (like alot of bigs have just went thru) and are going thru.
Stay small...thats fine..
and also people will still be living in a small town....but their kids will be going to a Bigger School with more to offer....No different than the bedroom communities of GF Bis Farga Minot Williston Dickenson Mandan
is or has Class b always been driven by emotions and the right last names???
because that would go away...not totally but perspectively
The Schwab wrote:winner-within wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:Your idea makes absolutely no sense and is such a backward way of thinking that its laughable. Ask all your buddies in Cavalier if they would like to go to school in Langdon or Grafton and see what response you get. Now double that distance in the western 2/3 of the state and its even more ludicrous. If people feel their kids are at such a disadvantage in a smaller town in ND they would just up and move to one of the larger cities. Some people have done that yes, but for the most part people choose to live in the smaller towns for the many advantages there is over the larger cities.
is it really?? Pembina County North already has 5 sports consolidated....Hmm... but yet havent done the 2 main.. Football (which would put them in AA) and BasketBall which would (like in 2001..when NB and Walhalla hooked up and some kids had to sit) make them a true contender @ State this season and the next 10 (like alot of bigs have just went thru) and are going thru.
Stay small...thats fine..
and also people will still be living in a small town....but their kids will be going to a Bigger School with more to offer....No different than the bedroom communities of GF Bis Farga Minot Williston Dickenson Mandan
is or has Class b always been driven by emotions and the right last names???
because that would go away...not totally but perspectively
Please come out to western north dakota and explain to me why people from south of bowman/scranton/hettinger that they should pack their kids up and go to school in dickinson.
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