Hinsa wrote:BB11, the trouble is many schools are STARTING with 10, 15, or 20 kids before they move up any 9th or 8th graders. If 4-5 quit because they've been passed by, now you are down to 6, 11, or 16 kids.
Of course you can't run a program with 6 kids, so where do you go for players to fill out a practice and a JV? More 8th graders? Now you don't have enough junior high kids to have a practice.
Let's say you have 11 left. One is hurt, one is sick. Now you don't have a full practice. Move up some junior high kids for practice and now you're short for junior high practice.
Let's say you have 16 left. You planned on having a full JV and "C" squad schedule. A couple get hurt. Oops, there goes the C team unless you raid the junior high again.
Oh, and by the way, you haven't taken into account the effect on the rest of the junior high kids when a couple of their classmates are moved up. Several of them will not come out as freshmen because they didn't get moved up. So instead of graduating 2-3 seniors and moving in 6 freshmen, now you graduate 2-3 seniors and only move in 3 freshmen. And a few more of your upperclassmen see the handwriting on the wall with the 8th graders and quit before next year. Now instead of a net gain in players next year, you actually have a net loss in players.
And if you think this scenario is not real, I can give you a half dozen examples in my area alone.
My point is you better look at all the scenarios before you move up an 8th grader.
You used Cavalier and MPCG as examples of moving up young kids. In both cases, they had tons of kids out, had full C teams, and could afford to lose a few kids along the way. That is a luxury most B schools don't have anymore.
scoobyx2 wrote:The politics in sports is getting a little crazy, and many parents just don't want to play the game. There have been posts talking about moving up 5 freshman at a school. I would guess that out of that 5, there were 1 or 2 who were better than the others (even tho maybe all of them were talented), but it probably would have cause too much drama to move just those kids. As for the traveling teams, they can be very harmful to a program. If any coach at a school runs a traveling team for his or her kid, and a kid doesn't get asked, then what are your chances?
shelly k wrote:scoobyx2 wrote:The politics in sports is getting a little crazy, and many parents just don't want to play the game. There have been posts talking about moving up 5 freshman at a school. I would guess that out of that 5, there were 1 or 2 who were better than the others (even tho maybe all of them were talented), but it probably would have cause too much drama to move just those kids. As for the traveling teams, they can be very harmful to a program. If any coach at a school runs a traveling team for his or her kid, and a kid doesn't get asked, then what are your chances?
That's one reason coaches should not be allowed to coach their own kids in a school program. Another related note, supposedly CHS had trouble getting enough kids to fill 2 freshman girls B Ball teams, which I find odd given the number of kids feeding into the school.
shelly k wrote:yea it's weird, the CHS girls B Ball coach will call unlucky upper classman and tell them not to bother to try out as there is no place for them, then he has to turn around and call freshman to encourage them to try out. BHS must be doing ok with freshman girls b ball numbers as they moved up the traveling team girls to Soph/Jv and still have enough kids for 2 freshman teams.
luvmy3gbb1wr wrote:There are many culprits......but there's one that my family has experienced. I have a college bb player that was told by her high school head coach at the time that she would never play varsity bb or college bb....yet oddly enough she starts and stars for her current college team in minnesota (she was recruited from playing AAU).....hmmm My son (in football) was essentially used as a practice dummy for four years. His senior year, the coach didn't get him a playbook for six weeks and would only let him learn and run certain plays. As a freshman/soph, he was told to wait his turn the older boys had put their time in and deserved to play. ok fine.......His junior year he agreed to be the jv quarterback so the jv would have games, he asked the coach to let him learn other positions too. didn't happen. He did the team thing, didn't complain worked hard, went to camps, lifted and got told his senior year that the younger boys needed to play so they would have experience when he left. He wasn't an all stater but he certainly wasn't that bad. He stuck it out but it got old, going to practice for 3-4 hours/day, in all types of weather, and the reward was to stand there. He was one of the last senior boys playing......reason, the others decided they could spend 3-4 hours a day working at a job instead. child number 3, excellent basketball and volleyball player, hard worker, hustler, went to camps, played AAU bb in MN(involved tryouts), jo vb (involved tryouts) yet she couldn't even get varsity time on a 3-18 team that her AAU team would have walloped. hmmm more of the same for child 4......both of these girls have had classmates quit playing sports not for video games but they don't want to practice and practice yet never play. I know that some kids don't want to be in sports and that's fine.....but it's not just video games that have moved kids out of participation; and it is not that every kid thinks they are a star (or every parent), Sometimes kids and parents are just tired of the crap that comes with a lot of teams.
luvmy3gbb1wr wrote:There are many culprits......but there's one that my family has experienced. I have a college bb player that was told by her high school head coach at the time that she would never play varsity bb or college bb....yet oddly enough she starts and stars for her current college team in minnesota (she was recruited from playing AAU).....hmmm My son (in football) was essentially used as a practice dummy for four years. His senior year, the coach didn't get him a playbook for six weeks and would only let him learn and run certain plays. As a freshman/soph, he was told to wait his turn the older boys had put their time in and deserved to play. ok fine.......His junior year he agreed to be the jv quarterback so the jv would have games, he asked the coach to let him learn other positions too. didn't happen. He did the team thing, didn't complain worked hard, went to camps, lifted and got told his senior year that the younger boys needed to play so they would have experience when he left. He wasn't an all stater but he certainly wasn't that bad. He stuck it out but it got old, going to practice for 3-4 hours/day, in all types of weather, and the reward was to stand there. He was one of the last senior boys playing......reason, the others decided they could spend 3-4 hours a day working at a job instead. child number 3, excellent basketball and volleyball player, hard worker, hustler, went to camps, played AAU bb in MN(involved tryouts), jo vb (involved tryouts) yet she couldn't even get varsity time on a 3-18 team that her AAU team would have walloped. hmmm more of the same for child 4......both of these girls have had classmates quit playing sports not for video games but they don't want to practice and practice yet never play. I know that some kids don't want to be in sports and that's fine.....but it's not just video games that have moved kids out of participation; and it is not that every kid thinks they are a star (or every parent), Sometimes kids and parents are just tired of the crap that comes with a lot of teams.
scoobyx2 wrote:luvmy3gbb1wr wrote:There are many culprits......but there's one that my family has experienced. I have a college bb player that was told by her high school head coach at the time that she would never play varsity bb or college bb....yet oddly enough she starts and stars for her current college team in minnesota (she was recruited from playing AAU).....hmmm My son (in football) was essentially used as a practice dummy for four years. His senior year, the coach didn't get him a playbook for six weeks and would only let him learn and run certain plays. As a freshman/soph, he was told to wait his turn the older boys had put their time in and deserved to play. ok fine.......His junior year he agreed to be the jv quarterback so the jv would have games, he asked the coach to let him learn other positions too. didn't happen. He did the team thing, didn't complain worked hard, went to camps, lifted and got told his senior year that the younger boys needed to play so they would have experience when he left. He wasn't an all stater but he certainly wasn't that bad. He stuck it out but it got old, going to practice for 3-4 hours/day, in all types of weather, and the reward was to stand there. He was one of the last senior boys playing......reason, the others decided they could spend 3-4 hours a day working at a job instead. child number 3, excellent basketball and volleyball player, hard worker, hustler, went to camps, played AAU bb in MN(involved tryouts), jo vb (involved tryouts) yet she couldn't even get varsity time on a 3-18 team that her AAU team would have walloped. hmmm more of the same for child 4......both of these girls have had classmates quit playing sports not for video games but they don't want to practice and practice yet never play. I know that some kids don't want to be in sports and that's fine.....but it's not just video games that have moved kids out of participation; and it is not that every kid thinks they are a star (or every parent), Sometimes kids and parents are just tired of the crap that comes with a lot of teams.
Thanks for posting this. When this happens to a hard working family, other families are going hear about it, and will steer their kids into other positive opportunities. It has nothing to do with the love of the game or tech games. We have kids in our neighborhood who are athletic and smart. They are always playing leagues for park and rec, and the y, but their parents support them in music and drama at school, while taking time to teach them skiing, snowboarding, and golf on their own, and both parents are very succssful business people. When I see them, I question our decisions in sports a lot.
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