Harmon61 wrote:Are there any parents trying organize a protest against these two parents?
Why should two people decide all our fates?
gunslinger13 wrote:i heard they might play at bennet
Bagboy wrote:You might want to check the rules, bambino. I believe it says that when a new team is formed, players have the option of playing on the team they were previously affiliated with or joining the new team. The only releases that are needed are for players who are new to both programs and want to play opposite where they live. In short, it's up to the Post 2 players where they play, no one else.
More kids playing Legion baseball in the summer. How is that a bad thing???
gunslinger13 wrote:i dont believe he is saying its a bad thing.
i think that with the numbers that the legion has now there arent enough players to fill two full legion teams and still compete. not to mention you still have to fill rosters for filler teams like the bombers.
Bagboy wrote:The part about needing a release from Post 2 is the part I'm talking about. Your message is mixed in that you say they need a release, which they don't. Their fate is truly "up to them." No release is needed. Clearly you are trying to make it sound as if they are "property" of Post 2, which isn't correct. These are kids, not professional players. Try to remember that.
Again, more kids playing Legion baseball - How is that bad?
greatbambino wrote:gunslinger13 wrote:i dont believe he is saying its a bad thing.
i think that with the numbers that the legion has now there arent enough players to fill two full legion teams and still compete. not to mention you still have to fill rosters for filler teams like the bombers.
the new team more than likely wont have a jv team like the bombers/jets. wont have the numbers for it or the money to afford it (wont have enough money to afford the one team, no matter how much one person forks over. a side note: what happens to the financing when that one dad isnt around in 2 years? whos going to pay the big bucks for this new team? coach bryant on his teachers salary? but i digress). so by splitting the city in half, you force kids that should be playing jv level legion baseball into playing varsity level baseball. and before the argument of "well they play varsity during high school ball" comes up, legion baseball is an entirely different animal than high school baseball.Bagboy wrote:The part about needing a release from Post 2 is the part I'm talking about. Your message is mixed in that you say they need a release, which they don't. Their fate is truly "up to them." No release is needed. Clearly you are trying to make it sound as if they are "property" of Post 2, which isn't correct. These are kids, not professional players. Try to remember that.
Again, more kids playing Legion baseball - How is that bad?
you are correct about the rule. i misread the portion of the rules related to the board chairman granting permission to the player to play on the new team. care to show where i referred to the players as "property"? in other transfer situations, players are required to receive permission from their previous team (a transfer form #76) to play for a different team. they are not "property" but they are bound to that team until they are granted permission to transfer or they have an address change that would require them to play on a new team.
Bagboy wrote:My guess is that this team will have to find creative ways to finance itself, just as most Legion teams currently do. Fundraising is a fact of life for Legion baseball in 2010. I'm guessing there is probably as much support and manpower working to raise money for the new team as there is for any other team around.
As far as the JV-Varsity issue, who's to say that they won't have enough ballplayers to fill two teams. Fargo is on the brink of having four varsity high school programs in one town. If you divide that up, it stands to reason that there will be plenty of kids to go around. 36 starting spots (9 on each team) will be somehow divided up amongst two varsity and two junior Legion teams. That doesn't even take into account the JV high school teams - easily another 75-80 kids. They won't all go out for Legion baseball in the summer, but it's a sure bet that more will than do now.
To say that there aren't enough quality ballplayers in Fargo is just an excuse to hang on to something that isn't a reality anymore. It's time for a second Legion team and I don't see any other alternative. At the end of the day, it's what is best for kids (and baseball).
Bagboy wrote:I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I think your way of thinking is what is killing baseball in Fargo. The weeding out of mediocre players at an earlier and earlier age has caused really good athletes to give up on baseball and concentrate on football, basketball, hockey, etc. The best ballplayers, are, I believe, often playing another sport in the spring and summer. The more kids we get involved in baseball and the longer they are willing to stay with it, the better the chance that no one gets missed and teams at the highest level will be stronger, not weaker. I don't think there was ever a time when Fargo had 100 kids out for Legion baseball, but if that was ever the case, then there probably should have been two teams at that time.
I don't doubt that the push for the new team is parent-driven (what isn't), but realistically, parents are in charge of all non-school sports (and some school ones), so that's not automatically a negative. I'm guessing there are plenty of parents in positions of control at Post 2 and other Legion teams around ND - am I right? How do their desires differ from those of the group starting the new team.
This isn't new ground. It happens in bigger cities and some that are the size of Fargo. Check around...Sioux Falls, Rapid City, Green Bay, St. Cloud, Rochester, etc. If they can do it, why not Fargo. I would guess that every place had some resistance at first, but all are currently thriving. More kids playing in quality programs at a high level.
I'm just convinced that this new team will be a good thing for everyone. Change is hard, but often necessary in order to move forward in a positive direction.
armada113 wrote:IF there does end up being a new Fargo Legion team, what will the name be?
The South Side Babies with a team mission statement of "I don't like the others schools coach so my dad bought me a team but let's try to play it off as it will get more kids playing the game"
and who for sure will the coaching staff be?
Whoever Dad can find that will pencil Jr into the lineup at shortstop, on the mound and in the 3rd spot in the batting line up. Heck Jr's soooooooo gooooood he can do all three at once. Just ask mom.
and where would they play?
Willy wrote:Not being from Fargo, I hope I can look at this objectively. In one corner you have people that think Fargo should have just one team so it can be more competitive, and in the other corner you have some people that think a city the size of Fargo should have more than one team.
For those that complain Fargo shouldn't split into two teams because they cant win a state title the way it is, I say: Maybe you need to get better! If cities the size of Dickinson can win state titles, where is the basis for your arguement? Size doesn't matter! It takes good coaching, good kids that have some talent, but more importantly a competitive spirit and a true love of the game. You can have 200 kids trying out and if you can't match good coaches and 15 kids with some heart, you will continue to fail.
Fargo you should be ashamed. You should of had a second team a decade ago. The call for another team is coming from people with some common sense, not whining parents who are only concerned about their own kids playing time. Buck up Fargo! Maybe a little intercity competition would do you all some good.
Willy wrote:Armada your first statement is ridiculous, you say it does NOT take good coaches and good talent to win. What? Secondly baseball is one of the few sports where you can put good talent at each position, and at each at bat and be successful on day one, unlike most other sports. Let's look at the Bismarck statement. Fargo hasn't been size that Bismarck is now since 1980. The 2008 population of Fargo was 95,500 while Bismarck's was 60,300. Not even close.
Bagboy wrote:I also believe that the time has come for a second Legion team. There are plenty of good players in Fargo to fill a second team. Unfortunately, this was voted down by the powers that be at the state level over this past weekend. I'm not sure why, since there aren't exactly a lot of teams out there and we have been hearing about the need for a second team in Fargo for a long time. I guess that it's another case of politics getting in the way of what's best for kids. Shouldn't be too surprised - it happens every day in every walk of life. I'm not sure how the move for a second team got started or if it was being pursued for the right reasons. What I AM sure of is that,no matter what brought the movement about, having a second team in Fargo is the best thing for kids - no question.
Bagboy wrote:I also believe that the time has come for a second Legion team. There are plenty of good players in Fargo to fill a second team. Unfortunately, this was voted down by the powers that be at the state level over this past weekend. I'm not sure why, since there aren't exactly a lot of teams out there and we have been hearing about the need for a second team in Fargo for a long time. I guess that it's another case of politics getting in the way of what's best for kids. Shouldn't be too surprised - it happens every day in every walk of life. I'm not sure how the move for a second team got started or if it was being pursued for the right reasons. What I AM sure of is that,no matter what brought the movement about, having a second team in Fargo is the best thing for kids - no question.
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