fargohockey1093 wrote:Were you at the game? the score was 3-3 till the last 5 minutes of the game
hockeymaster wrote:it was a VERY close game. shanley was winning 3-2 going into the 3rd period, both teams played great, yes grafton had more shots, but thats the case in every shanley game, they still find ways to win. i image if those teams play again it will also be another close game
HockeyHigh wrote:To be honest, I sense a lot of Shanley players have learned about this forum, and you're making a bad image for yourselves (Looking at join dates and the bias in your posts). When you're getting outshot by double or more and have a total of 6 EDC points, I don't think you have much to brag about.
The fact at this point is that Grafton has been struggling all year, and with a shallow defensive core all around, they've been hitting a rough spot all year. This would attribute for Shanley's 3 goals. Stokke has been a solid tender for Shanley and is basically the only reason that Shanley isn't getting scored on in the double digits at this point in the year, but once you get past Stokke there isn't much stopping teams from running up those scores. Stokke is averaging probably 45 shots per game (for most goalies this actually makes playing in net easier) and good for him, but I don't want to see what happens if he has a bad game come EDC.
fargohockey1093 wrote:HockeyHigh wrote:To be honest, I sense a lot of Shanley players have learned about this forum, and you're making a bad image for yourselves (Looking at join dates and the bias in your posts). When you're getting outshot by double or more and have a total of 6 EDC points, I don't think you have much to brag about.
The fact at this point is that Grafton has been struggling all year, and with a shallow defensive core all around, they've been hitting a rough spot all year. This would attribute for Shanley's 3 goals. Stokke has been a solid tender for Shanley and is basically the only reason that Shanley isn't getting scored on in the double digits at this point in the year, but once you get past Stokke there isn't much stopping teams from running up those scores. Stokke is averaging probably 45 shots per game (for most goalies this actually makes playing in net easier) and good for him, but I don't want to see what happens if he has a bad game come EDC.
double digits? are you kidding me? if an average of 45 shots per game with even a 80% is 9 goals per game. thats not double digits. Shanley has a much better shooting percentace also so for the less shots they put up they still score more goals on ten shots than most teams
fargohockey1093 wrote:Team Totals 20 75 812 738 3.7 90.9 % [9 - 8 - 3] 0
Opponents 20 77 636 559 3.8 88.1 % [8 - 9 - 3] 1
the bolded above is shots on net
divide these by 20 games- avg. Shots against shanley-- 40.6
avg shots for shanley-------- 28
40.6/28= getting outshot by and average of 12.6 shots per game.
in italics goals against- Shanley has scored more than been scored on
Sioux4ever wrote:They don't exactly play the toughest non-conference schedule in the state.
Favre#1 wrote:fargohockey1093 wrote:Were you at the game? the score was 3-3 till the last 5 minutes of the game
Were you at the game????Shanley was dominated the whole game i don't care what the score was.
HockeyHigh wrote:Sioux4ever wrote:They don't exactly play the toughest non-conference schedule in the state.
Agreed on your entire post, especially this part in dissent to Fargohockey. According to the USHSO, Shanley is playing the fourth from worst schedule in the state, and this includes conference games against teams like Central, South, RR and Grafton. If you make it non-conference games only, Shanley would likely have the second to easiest schedule in the state, right above Wahpeton. I have honestly never even heard of Prairie Centre, Willmar, River Lakes, Kittson Central, or Morris MN in reference to their hockey teams, ever . Not surprisingly, Shanley won all these nonconference games.
Am I anti-Shanley? Quite the opposite actually. I think that any competition that is raising the bar in North Dakota is incredible for our hockey. We need more competition in this state, and it shows. When we only field 1-2 teams a year that would be ranked in the top twenty of a neighboring state, I'd like to see improvement. However, the reason that I'm 'putting down' Shanley in any way is because of (what I'm assuming) Shanley players making accounts and claiming games were far closer than they really were. Whether the score itself was close or not (Thank Stokke for this the majority of the time), the better team will find a way to win. Shanley has yet to win a game they 'shouldn't have'.
SportsDoc wrote:Shots on goal do not always tell the whole story, either. If Team "A" cannot play an uptempo game with rush after rush with Team "B", their coaches might devise a game plan to make them as competitive as possible in as many games as possible.
One example that I have seen work is a sort of "rope-a-dope" game plan. Don't be too offensive minded. Stay in your own zone with everybody. Keep the better team to the outside with the puck, don't let them in the slot areas where possible. Give them all the point and wall shots they want and try to prevent rebounds. Wait for Team "B" to get frustrated, look for a few odd man rush opportunities, and hope you score on a couple of them. The shots on goal will look horrible, but you might steal a win if you get good defense and goaltending.
Williston used this against RR two years ago in the first round, and led 2-1 with 6 minutes left, before losing 4-2. They were outshot about 50 to 15. They could have closed the shots on goal disparity by being more offensive minded (they were not a horrible offensive team that year) but would have lost the game by a much wider margin and would have had zero chance to win. Playing it as they did, they had a chance to win, and in the end it's about the wins, not the shots. Teams have to play to their strengths and away from the oppositions strengths (especially when the opponents are more skilled and have a deeper roster), and coaches who can do that deserve credit for finding ways to be competitive.
Is Shanley going to be competitive with South trying to go toe to toe with rush after rush? Not this year. So they devise a game plan to allow them to win as many games as they can, and stay in quite a few more. Good for them, and good for the players for giving up stats to buy into a system where the team has chances to win games against better teams.
fargohockey1093 wrote:how does recently making an account make you from shanley?
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