BasketballMind wrote:What worries me the most for the B division teams is after a few years of playing primarily against each other, the quality of those teams will go down drastically. I believe most schools are trying to schedule within their division going forward. After 3-4 years of that, the gap between A and B is going to continue to grow.
ndlionsfan wrote:BasketballMind wrote:What worries me the most for the B division teams is after a few years of playing primarily against each other, the quality of those teams will go down drastically. I believe most schools are trying to schedule within their division going forward. After 3-4 years of that, the gap between A and B is going to continue to grow.
The gap between most of the current A teams and the rest of class B was already there. It's just more distinct now that there are separate divisions, hence the need for those divisions. Only the top 2-3 teams of class B each season will reasonable be able to compete with class A, the same as the top few teams of class A would be able to compete in class AA. And those top few teams in both classes will change ever few years as well.
I don't care what level of basketball is "good" and what level is a little harder to watch. All I care is that the games are competitive within each division and there was drastically more balance this season with 3 classes.
bk1990 wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:BasketballMind wrote:What worries me the most for the B division teams is after a few years of playing primarily against each other, the quality of those teams will go down drastically. I believe most schools are trying to schedule within their division going forward. After 3-4 years of that, the gap between A and B is going to continue to grow.
The gap between most of the current A teams and the rest of class B was already there. It's just more distinct now that there are separate divisions, hence the need for those divisions. Only the top 2-3 teams of class B each season will reasonable be able to compete with class A, the same as the top few teams of class A would be able to compete in class AA. And those top few teams in both classes will change ever few years as well.
I don't care what level of basketball is "good" and what level is a little harder to watch. All I care is that the games are competitive within each division and there was drastically more balance this season with 3 classes.
I agree, to me it has always been not a difference in talent, but a difference in depth. Take the best couple players on a top team in any division, they are as talented as the best couple of players in the other divisions.
BasketballMind wrote:The top teams in B will start playing more games with a running clock than we had in the 2-class system. There are less good teams, so the good teams that are left will have more games against inferior competition.
ndlionsfan wrote:BasketballMind wrote:The top teams in B will start playing more games with a running clock than we had in the 2-class system. There are less good teams, so the good teams that are left will have more games against inferior competition.
I disagree. I saw much fewer games with running clock this past year in class B. If FWM had been in class B, they would have had 75% of their games with running clock. I think the gap is much closer for top teams in B versus bottom B teams.
WalkingStick wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:BasketballMind wrote:The top teams in B will start playing more games with a running clock than we had in the 2-class system. There are less good teams, so the good teams that are left will have more games against inferior competition.
I disagree. I saw much fewer games with running clock this past year in class B. If FWM had been in class B, they would have had 75% of their games with running clock. I think the gap is much closer for top teams in B versus bottom B teams.
I have these numbers at home on how many games made it to running clock. I'll get that posted here this weekend.
Top of D8 (W-N, BR) to the Bottom of D8 was 40-50 points difference...that was basically the top and a few of the bottom of the B division.
WalkingStick wrote:BOYS BASKETBALL (Excluding Postseason Play)
There were 246 Class A vs. Class A Games Played
78 of those were running clock games (31.71%)
There were 91 Crossover Games Played
23 of those were running clock games (25.27%)
There were 627 Class B vs. Class B Games Played
161 of those were running clock games (25.68%)
Last year in Class B there were 1034 Games Played
257 of those were running clock games (24.85%)
87 of those running clock (RC) games were won by 2024 Class A Teams (33.85% of RC games)
WalkingStick wrote:BOYS BASKETBALL (Excluding Postseason Play)
There were 246 Class A vs. Class A Games Played
78 of those were running clock games (31.71%)
There were 91 Crossover Games Played
23 of those were running clock games (25.27%)
There were 627 Class B vs. Class B Games Played
161 of those were running clock games (25.68%)
Last year in Class B there were 1034 Games Played
257 of those were running clock games (24.85%)
87 of those running clock (RC) games were won by 2024 Class A Teams (33.85% of RC games)
bk1990 wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:BasketballMind wrote:What worries me the most for the B division teams is after a few years of playing primarily against each other, the quality of those teams will go down drastically. I believe most schools are trying to schedule within their division going forward. After 3-4 years of that, the gap between A and B is going to continue to grow.
The gap between most of the current A teams and the rest of class B was already there. It's just more distinct now that there are separate divisions, hence the need for those divisions. Only the top 2-3 teams of class B each season will reasonable be able to compete with class A, the same as the top few teams of class A would be able to compete in class AA. And those top few teams in both classes will change ever few years as well.
I don't care what level of basketball is "good" and what level is a little harder to watch. All I care is that the games are competitive within each division and there was drastically more balance this season with 3 classes.
I agree, to me it has always been not a difference in talent, but a difference in depth. Take the best couple players on a top team in any division, they are as talented as the best couple of players in the other divisions. Braaten from Westhope is an good as any player in the state, but if they had to play a Kindred team that goes a solid 8-9 deep, that is a tall task
The Duffields could hang with the best two players from DL, but team wise, not deep enough. Same with Ryan tandem of Walz/Lundeen, using teams from the same town, put them against the top two from Minot High, just as good and talented, but the Magi go 9-10 deep off the bench, Ryan maybe went 6-7.
Talent doesn't care what division you are in, depth matters, that is why divisions are determined by school size
Mr. Basketball this year was from A, right in the middle and 3 finalists from B.
Thundersnow wrote:Interesting, those numbers surprise me a little bit, because it seemed to me like there were less blowouts in 23-24 than the previous 5-10 years. A few questions for you, WalkingStick:
1) Was a "running clock game" any game that ended with a 30+ point margin or any game that had a 30+ point margin at some point, regardless if it ended with a 25, 35 or 55 point difference? It wouldn't change your results much, I'm just interested in your methodology.
2) Do you have any data on average final point differential for all games this year and previous years for comparison?
3) Was there a specific reason you didn't include postseason play?
Thundersnow wrote:Interesting, those numbers surprise me a little bit, because it seemed to me like there were less blowouts in 23-24 than the previous 5-10 years. A few questions for you, WalkingStick:
1) Was a "running clock game" any game that ended with a 30+ point margin or any game that had a 30+ point margin at some point, regardless if it ended with a 25, 35 or 55 point difference? It wouldn't change your results much, I'm just interested in your methodology.
2) Do you have any data on average final point differential for all games this year and previous years for comparison?
3) Was there a specific reason you didn't include postseason play?
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