North Dakota Preps

north_border_eagles2106 wrote:

HometownHigh wrote:

GoodO'LBoy wrote:The last possession proves that Class B basketball needs a shot clock. Kidder Co. held onto the ball for 65 seconds at the end.

..and won the game. THere are already officials that babysit the players, you don't need a clock to babysit also. PLAY DEFENSE. Games that are 72-73 are nothing but run and gun shoot outs - no defense either end. Not a game, but a shooting exhibition. No contest there. Take the competition out, add a shot clock. Kill the game

How does that kill the game? It makes teams have to perform in the clutch. My biggest pet peeve is when a team sits on the ball at the end of the game for 50 seconds or however long Kidder County did at the end. Don't get me wrong, it's in the rules and that's the "proper strategy" to win the game, but that's not basketball. If there was a shot clock the teams wouldn't think like that and they'd be aggressive the whole game. The game would be so much better. If you think about it how much would a 30 second shot clock really change the game? Do any teams really take more than that to try to score for the first 30 minutes of the game? No, they don't. But in the last two minutes they start stalling and "only shoot lay-ups" because they're not playing to win, they're playing not to lose. I love watching class b basketball because the fans are awesome, the players are all going all out, but once it gets to "clutch time" nobody wants to step up and shoot the ball. People start playing scared, tenative, and totally disregard the gameplan from the previous 30 minutes of play. It's always bothered me, whether playing a game or watching a game.

adriana wrote:

Hoot12 wrote:Are you bunch of babies done bitching yet? Talk about edicate READ THE FORMS RULES::::
No complaining about players, coaches, teams ,officals, fans etc. That all a couple of you have done since you starting writing on this forum.

Hmm...somehow I don't think calling everyone a "bunch of babies" and asking if they're "done bitching yet" is proper edicate. And how would you know what everyone has been saying since they came on this site? You've been on here for what? a week?...

bigpoppakdog wrote:

north_border_eagles2106 wrote:

HometownHigh wrote:

GoodO'LBoy wrote:The last possession proves that Class B basketball needs a shot clock. Kidder Co. held onto the ball for 65 seconds at the end.

..and won the game. THere are already officials that babysit the players, you don't need a clock to babysit also. PLAY DEFENSE. Games that are 72-73 are nothing but run and gun shoot outs - no defense either end. Not a game, but a shooting exhibition. No contest there. Take the competition out, add a shot clock. Kill the game

How does that kill the game? It makes teams have to perform in the clutch. My biggest pet peeve is when a team sits on the ball at the end of the game for 50 seconds or however long Kidder County did at the end. Don't get me wrong, it's in the rules and that's the "proper strategy" to win the game, but that's not basketball. If there was a shot clock the teams wouldn't think like that and they'd be aggressive the whole game. The game would be so much better. If you think about it how much would a 30 second shot clock really change the game? Do any teams really take more than that to try to score for the first 30 minutes of the game? No, they don't. But in the last two minutes they start stalling and "only shoot lay-ups" because they're not playing to win, they're playing not to lose. I love watching class b basketball because the fans are awesome, the players are all going all out, but once it gets to "clutch time" nobody wants to step up and shoot the ball. People start playing scared, tenative, and totally disregard the gameplan from the previous 30 minutes of play. It's always bothered me, whether playing a game or watching a game.

I respectfully disagree. Basketball was started without a shot clock and without a zone defense. If you did not want them to have the last shot then play them mano emano and make them do something. The only game where a shot clock even could remotely be discussed in Class B was back in the late 80's during the infamous 4-2 game. The only thing that could ruin class b more is to install a shot clock. The main argument against it, is that the only time you see a team hold on the ball for more than 30 seconds or so in Class B is at the end of the half or the end of the 4th quarter. Plus, I think it makes it interesting to see a team try to slow down the game to make the tempo in their favor.

I don't think you'll get a complete agreement on this one. Those of us who played w/o a shot clock don't really understand the need for one, those of you who did probably couldn't imagine playing w/o one. I never had to play with a shot clock, maybe I would change my mind if I did?

I just thought the ending to the game could not have been more exciting.

tingly wrote:As long as there are teams that take 20+ seconds to get the ball into the front court against a press, shot clocks are gonna be a tough sell.

9manfootballmom wrote:

scc wrote:

9manfootballmom wrote:Thanks...So the flpr didn't get one? So then I am curious? why aren't you guys talking about the teams that did get the technicals?

Good question, right? I haven't seen any mention of FLPR and their fans winning the spirit award here, either.

I think the spirit award only goes to one team, right? So that wouldn't be such a shocker. But...do they still give the sportsmanship banners? All teams used to be eligible for that.

Bob Holiday wrote:When you're playing a basketball game in a state tournament, you play to win, not to please anyone's sense of whats right and what's wrong. The whining about KC holding the ball is pretty pathetic. If you don't like it I suggest you find yourself a different spectator sport.

GoodO'LBoy wrote:

Bob Holiday wrote:When you're playing a basketball game in a state tournament, you play to win, not to please anyone's sense of whats right and what's wrong. The whining about KC holding the ball is pretty pathetic. If you don't like it I suggest you find yourself a different spectator sport.

First off, I would hardly consider any comments about KC holding the ball for 1:05 to end the game whinning. The game was awsome. In my opinion, it would have been a much more exciting ending if there was a shot clock. There could have been many more possible scenarios to play out at the end of the game. This is where good coaches would stand out.

If you don't like people discussing basketball strategy, I suggest you find a different website to comment on.

baseball wrote:

tingly wrote:As long as there are teams that take 20+ seconds to get the ball into the front court against a press, shot clocks are gonna be a tough sell.

thats why there's a rule that you only get 10 seconds to do that.....

tingly wrote:

baseball wrote:

tingly wrote:As long as there are teams that take 20+ seconds to get the ball into the front court against a press, shot clocks are gonna be a tough sell.

thats why there's a rule that you only get 10 seconds to do that.....

I thought that was just boys. In California, girls don't even have a backcourt rule.

baseball wrote:

GoodO'LBoy wrote:

Bob Holiday wrote:When you're playing a basketball game in a state tournament, you play to win, not to please anyone's sense of whats right and what's wrong. The whining about KC holding the ball is pretty pathetic. If you don't like it I suggest you find yourself a different spectator sport.

First off, I would hardly consider any comments about KC holding the ball for 1:05 to end the game whinning. The game was awsome. In my opinion, it would have been a much more exciting ending if there was a shot clock. There could have been many more possible scenarios to play out at the end of the game. This is where good coaches would stand out.

If you don't like people discussing basketball strategy, I suggest you find a different website to comment on.

Sand's strategy....hold the ball for one shot, they executed, so they won state. had there been a shot clock he would have had a different stategy. The FLPR coach didnt even have a strategy at the end of the game. If i remember the quote it was "we were playing for OT, Benz had 4 fouls so we thought if we got it to OT it would be a different game." Sand had a plan to win in regulation, where his counterpart was just hoping.

3girlsbbmom wrote:Sensor, i dont know what tournament you were watching but apparently it wasnt the same as most everyone else! The white team, which is the Kidder County Lady Pirates, has "ELI BENZ" and if you dont know that name after this weekend you didny see much of the games. Amazing post player, player of the game 2 nights in a row and tournament mvp! Enough said you shouldnt comment when you dont even know the teams names or the players!

senser wrote:I'm completely ignorant on the rules, but the first time I realized there was no shot clock was at the end of the game when the white team sat on the ball for a minute and then called the TO or whatever. Lame.