Best Programs

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I feel like there are seven programs that are above the rest. The order is hard to make but this is how I see it.
1. Kindred
2. Grafton
3. Thompson
4. Langdon
5. Rugby
6. Central Cass
7. Shiloh

any thoughts?

[WalkingStick]

These programs continue to pump out quality teams year in and year out

[packers21]

Missing one of the best in Carrington

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Missing one of the best in Carrington

I'm not sure I could put them above any of the seven I mentioned. Since they won it in 2011 they've made two trips to state. They are consistently good though. Who are some other teams I may have left out?

[packers21]

Missing one of the best in Carrington

I'm not sure I could put them above any of the seven I mentioned. Since they won it in 2011 they've made two trips to state. They are consistently good though. Who are some other teams I may have left out?

Think if they had some of the kids “move” into to like Bismarck has, I just can’t put them up there. They lost in a couple other Region Championships and one was stolen away by a 3 that wasn’t a 3.

There’s not much else out there for GBB. Dickinson Trinity has had some good years. Bowman has been decent recently. 4 winds has been on a good run, North Star before that.

[WalkingStick]

a borderline team may be Northern Cass, I think they will become one consistent programs in the coming years...already started making some good moves this past year with good talent coming up; 49-18 over past 3 years.

You could name several from R3 over the past 5 years...Region 3 is the hardest region to get out of in VB & GBB, in my eyes:
Kidder County (94-22; .810)
Carrington (92-29; .760)
LaMoure-LM (93-30; .756)
Linton-HMB (85-32; .726)
Medina/Pingree-Buchanan, Oakes & E-K-M all with over .600 winning %

Might need to consider Four Winds-Minnewaukan (93-24; .795) over past 5 years...just can't get past LEM.

Mohall-Lansford-Sherwood is 99-27 (.786) over past 5 years...region is just dominated by Rugby.

Bowman County & Hettinger-Scranton both are over .700 for past 5 years

Trenton's run is over in my opinion but they had a couple solid years in there (99-23 over past 5 years)
Kenmare has had a solid last 4 seasons...

[Flip]

I tried to ignore the fact that Shiloh may have kids like Quam come into the program. I just tried to look at the results. I also tried to find programs that have been successful through more than one good group of kids, like a North Star. That might exclude CC.

Region 3 seems to have a lot of good teams but rarely a team that can compete for a state title. The Medina team a few years ago is the exception. That is quite the run by KC IMO. I had no idea they were that successful.

[WalkingStick]

I have a document for 5-year and 10-year record totals…probably will go up on the website I am working on later

[packers21]

I tried to ignore the fact that Shiloh may have kids like Quam come into the program. I just tried to look at the results. I also tried to find programs that have been successful through more than one good group of kids, like a North Star. That might exclude CC.

Region 3 seems to have a lot of good teams but rarely a team that can compete for a state title. The Medina team a few years ago is the exception. That is quite the run by KC IMO. I had no idea they were that successful.

IMO Kidder and Carrington have much much better “programs” than Shiloh. I’m definitely bias against Shiloh tho so my thinking might be skewed. When I think of programs I think of those coaches putting in time and effort from Elementary-High school to build something. Not just waiting for the next All-Stater to move in.

[mg7622]

disappointed in this thread. There is a big difference between "best" programs and "winning est" programs

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disappointed in this thread. There is a big difference between "best" programs and "winning est" programs

Care to add your two cents?

[muley14]

I think Carrington and Thompson are at the top of the list, if you want to get multiple classes through the program. They have had some very good players come through but they do more with their talent than some of the others. I think those are two of the best coaches around. They always improve through the year.

I think many of the others are dominated by a great player or a class or two that keeps them towards the top of our short term memories. Still good teams but coaches build programs.

[mg7622]

disappointed in this thread. There is a big difference between "best" programs and "winning est" programs

Care to add your two cents?

I would say a great or "best" program does atleast 4 things.

Has good leadership, from coaches to captains to administrators

Provide a good and structured learning experience for kids while they are in that program

Compete to best of the teams ability by working hard. This can be a team that may only be a 4 win team that wins 8. Or a 2 win team that competes in most games and gives those favorites a scare.

It has culture. The kind where kids wanna be a part of the team regardless of their role.When the kids wanna be there that's when good memories and habits are made.

Of course there is other things but that's just my 2 cents. I just don't believe you gotta win the region or 20 games or a couple state championships in order to be considered a great program. It certainly helps, but only if those kids leave the program with good lessons of hard work and team work learned from it to give that positive experience.

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mg7622, what programs do you feel are getting the most out of their kids, competing every night, but might not be in the region championship every year?

[mg7622]

Wilton would be one in that category, they finally got to state two years ago but outside of that they were a tough team regardless of record that competed in alot of games, and have been well coached. New England would be a school I would say has had a good program that just hasn't got big region tournament wins- they've had losing seasons but some big upsets over the years, and I think the wins are gonna start coming for them as the town has grown. Hatton Northwood would be another that seems to be in a good place with good culture and program.