2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby madseason » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:47 pm

The seeding may not be perfect but would you rather they go back to picking all the teams from a hat? If you win three games you are the champs. :D
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby The Schwab » Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:16 pm

heimer wrote:Thompson loses athletes to Grand Forks, not gains.

The kids in the program are home-grown. I know them, well. Thompson sends wrestlers, state place-winners, to Red River. They don't import their talent, and the way the district is drawn, their north-end population is closer to Central than it is to Thompson. They lose plenty of kids that way.

Know something before you spew.


What exactly do you know about scheduling games, working as an athletic director, living in Southwest ND? Keep taking shots at Hettinger-Scranton. You’re showing a lot of class
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby heimer » Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:39 pm

I'm not taking shots against anyone. I'm taking shots at the idea that we can just seed to seed. If you feel that way, I'm taking shots against you. I said, and will say again: Schedule whatever you want. But don't expect a seed if you don't deserve it.
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby heimer » Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:51 pm

One more thing: If you're taking shots at Grand Forks hosting the tournament, or the building causing every problem in the world, I'm also taking shots at you. Quite frankly, after this tournament, the tournament should never leave.
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby Bisonguy06 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:00 pm

The Betty is excellent. Now that Grand Forks has put its best foot forward, the only real question is what took so long…
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:11 pm

Bisonguy06 wrote:The Betty is excellent. Now that Grand Forks has put its best foot forward, the only real question is what took so long


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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby madseason » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:12 pm

The Betty looks pretty full. Did they have to turn any fans away?
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby aNDkid91 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:35 pm

heimer wrote:Thompson loses athletes to Grand Forks, not gains.

The kids in the program are home-grown. I know them, well. Thompson sends wrestlers, state place-winners, to Red River. They don't import their talent, and the way the district is drawn, their north-end population is closer to Central than it is to Thompson. They lose plenty of kids that way.

Know something before you spew.


Same could be said to you. Quit taking pot-shots at the west region.

heimer wrote:One more thing: If you're taking shots at Grand Forks hosting the tournament, or the building causing every problem in the world, I'm also taking shots at you. Quite frankly, after this tournament, the tournament should never leave.

Why? Teams on the east don’t like to travel? Minot and Bismarck do great jobs hosting tournaments and create an awesome class B atmosphere! Just a thought here but maybe it’s not necessarily the venue but instead it’s the fans.
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby heimer » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:40 pm

They create zero atmosphere for Class B girls anything.
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby Flip » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:42 pm

Bismarck will never be an option as long as WDA is the same weekend.

Also, not a fan of Minot. That building is a million years old.
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby heimer » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:46 pm

Confirmed: People west of US 83 hate change, anything new, or anything not their way.
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby Region2FootballFan » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:49 pm

Is this the first championship that both head coaches are women?
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby Flip » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:55 pm

Region2FootballFan wrote:Is this the first championship that both head coaches are women?

1st time since 2018.
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby The Schwab » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:07 pm

heimer wrote:
The Schwab wrote:
heimer wrote:Alright, my turn.

1) quit yer bitc#!ng about driving to Grand Forks. We have a big state. Get used to it. Not every part of our state is pasture land and pheasant hunting. I respect those things, but the state is the state.

The tournaments are spread because there are some communities that take on revenue-losing tournaments/meets, so they are guaranteed something that generates revenue. Having the girls tournament in Grand forks is a good way to get them back for hosting golf, or fine arts, or soccer, things that do not generate revenue.

I drove to Hettinger in 1997 for a blind date in a Chevy Celebrity. True story. Not a big deal. Enjoy Grand Forks.

2) it's pretty clear to me we just couldn't have a repeat of state volleyball, with an all-east semifinal. So, we found a couple of schools with big records to seed, and forced Kindred, Langdon, and Thompson into the same bracket, probably to negate that whole "wah wah wah Thompson just played in that arena no fair no fair no fair wah wah wah" crap that was going on from the moment the tournament change was announced. The best five teams in the tournament are (in no order) Kindred, Langdon, Thompson, Kidder County, and then pick em. Record is not enough to use for seeding purposes if teams play much tougher schedules than their colleagues.

There was a team at state volleyball that absolutely didn't belong there, and there is at least one team at state basketball that doesn't belong there. What this tournament has done is tell schools to stop playing meaningful games in the regular season, run your record up, and get what you can. That's a setback for the game.

3) The Betty was awesome yesterday, far more entertaining than the same crowd at the Dome or the Alerus. I'm looking forward to tonight.


In response to number 2, man it’s such a shame that they had to rig the seedings to have 2 of the best from the west regions play in the first round. We couldn’t have an all-west final like we had last year!!


If you're referring to basketball, Thompson played Medina last year in the semis. That would be a Region 2 vs 3. In what world is that an all-west semifinal.

Also, no one bitc#es and complains about an all-west semifinal, because, in the east, we realize we will have to drive to get to actual games. But imagine the pain and heartbreak of the convoy that came up from Region 7 to see all of their west comrades in the sunshine half.


That’s a shot, but whatever.

As far as Grand Forks and the Betty. Great atmosphere, I questioned before the tournament if they could hold all the people who wanted to attend. It appears to me that it did. I will always question having the state tournament in a venue that has teams driving over 6 hours. All I question is the logistics of travel and I don’t think I’m out of line for questioning that.

I live west of 83 and I’m open to change. I would love to see the state switch to seeding like they do in South Dakota. Seed everything based on the formula (that everyone knows). It then wouldn’t require you to play everyone in your region. And the state tournament should be seeded 1-8 IMO
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby aNDkid91 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:16 pm

Flip wrote:Bismarck will never be an option as long as WDA is the same weekend.

Also, not a fan of Minot. That building is a million years old.


The MSU Dome??
heimer wrote:They create zero atmosphere for Class B girls anything.


Merely your opinion.

heimer wrote:Confirmed: People west of US 83 hate change, anything new, or anything not their way.


Who said anything about hating or not open to change? You’re the one that feels that Minot creates zero atmosphere and the tournament should never leave the Betty.
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby heimer » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:29 pm

aNDkid91 wrote:
Flip wrote:Bismarck will never be an option as long as WDA is the same weekend.

Also, not a fan of Minot. That building is a million years old.


The MSU Dome??

heimer wrote:They create zero atmosphere for Class B girls anything.


Merely your opinion.

heimer wrote:Confirmed: People west of US 83 hate change, anything new, or anything not their way.


Who said anything about hating or not open to change? You’re the one that feels that Minot creates zero atmosphere and the tournament should never leave the Betty.


1. Yes

2. Did you see volleyball?

3. No, you're not. Been complaining since Thursday for no good reason
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby Bisonguy06 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:32 pm

There are plans to renovate the MSU dome. Whatever it is as a facility, it will be better down the road.

Folks, Heimer is simply trolling the class B board at tournament time, as usual.
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby aNDkid91 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:52 pm

Yes I did see state volleyball. We were that team from the west that didn’t belong there.

I have not been complaining. I’ve been defending the west from the haters of the east.
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby heimer » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:54 pm

aNDkid91 wrote:Yes I did see state volleyball. We were that team from the west that didn’t belong there.

I have not been complaining. I’ve been defending the west from the haters of the east.


Which one?

And the west hated first.

"Not fair, Thompson played there."

"Not fair, they will have to turn people away."

"Not fair, it's too far to drive."

All before I even joined the conversation.
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby aNDkid91 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:55 pm

Dang...not the end that I wanted but kudos to Kindred! They will be a force to reckon with!
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby madseason » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:49 am

The Betty had its record attendance since it opened on championship night. A great game I was hoping for Rugby to win. I have a feeling Kindred will win a couple more with the young team they have.
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby ndlionsfan » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:21 am

My thoughts after watching the tourney....

Seemed like an amazing atmosphere and something the girls tourney has lacked for quite a few years. NDHSAA needs to look at right sized venues instead of just what town is next in the rotation. The Betty, the SHAC, Jamestown, etc. should host the tournament not the football stadiums. Even the MSU dome is too big for the girls tourney. Travel argument shouldn't matter either. MN teams all travel to Mpls every year. It's state and travel will be necessary to play in the best venue.

All teams deserved to be there and I thought the seeding was about right with the process that is used. There is no east/west conspiracy. People can complain about strength of schedule for some teams, but they have never been at those schools making decisions. Money, districts, rivalries, school administration priorities, etc. all come in to play when making schedules a year in advance. The smaller schools just don't have the means to travel all over the state to play top opponents or the connections to make those matchups happen all the time. Kudos to the teams that do and travel to play the best opponents, but don't rag on the teams that can't. I can guarantee you it's not a "choice" they make to try to go undefeated to get a higher seed at the state tournament.

Still feel a third class is needed in the state. Rugby, Kindred, Thompson, Grafton, HCV, Langdon, Shiloh, FWM, etc. all basically dominate their regions. Look at the complete district/region standings in both boys/girls this year. How many big and private schools are near the top and a majority of the small schools at the bottom? People will always point out teams like Trenton are there and undefeated. But then people are complaining they shouldn't be there and seeded. Can't have it both ways. They now play in a region with almost all small schools and a very small private school. How well will this region compete at state across the board with all sports in the next few years? Will be interesting to see. Everyone saying Region 8 is weakest right now. Almost all of those teams would be in the smallest class except Stanley and New Town, and those two teams will probably dominate the region as well. Region 5 is the same with only Shiloh. Region 3 has had some great teams recently and more parity. Will it continue that way? I can tell you Region 4 will be either LEM or FWM for years to come.

Finally, the young talent in GBB is phenomenal right now. How many 8-10 graders were important contributors on many of those teams. Going to be exciting to watch in the next few years play out. Hopefully that will turn around the decline in girls participation numbers, but I don't know.
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby scc » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:17 am

The Minot Auditorium was the home of Class B girls state tournaments for many years. The atmosphere there would be good, too.
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby d_fense » Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:14 pm

madseason wrote:The seeding may not be perfect but would you rather they go back to picking all the teams from a hat? If you win three games you are the champs. :D


Yes
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Re: 2018-19 STATE CLASS B GBB TOURNEY

Postby classB4ever » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:12 pm

heimer wrote:I no longer advocate a three class system.

The system is fine. These are the best teams we have. It's what we do.


Wow. Have had many a debate with you over the years on this site. Have always enjoyed your input.
However, it seems that your change in scenery has also changed your mind on a number of things.

You were once a strong advocate for a "look" at 3-classes (while in VC). Now your opposed. Is it safe to say you jumped the fence? At VC, you pushed for 3 classes to become the big "school" on the block. Now, moving to a different area and being the big school on the block, changes your mind on 3 classes? This makes me believe you are a bit self serving or even slightly hypocritical.

May I ask what changed your mind if it's anything other the change in scenery?
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