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2016-17 POLLS

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:50 pm

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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:37 pm

FIRST POLL
Monday, December 5th

1. North Star (8) 3-0 154
2. Park River-FL (4) 2-0 145
3. Shiloh Christian (3) 2-0 143
4. Carrington 2-0 105
5. Langdon/Edmore/Munich 2-0 69
6. Our Redeemer's 0-0 58
7. Killdeer 0-1 53
8. Kindred (1) 2-0 49
9. Richland 0-1 45
10. LaMoure-LM 1-0 41
Others Receiving Votes: Rugby (1) (4-0), Kidder County (2-0), Grant County (2-0), New Town (1-1), Watford City (0-0), Bishop Ryan (1-1), Medina/Pingree-Buchanan (2-0), Finley-Sharon-Hope-Page (2-0), Washburn (2-0).
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:44 pm

2ND POLL
Monday, December 12th

1. North Star (8) 4-0 163
2. Park River-FL (4) 4-0 155
3. Shiloh Christian (3) 3-0 147
4. Carrington (1) 5-0 129
5. Our Redeemer's 3-0 92
6. Kindred (2) 3-0 87
7. LaMoure-LM 4-0 74
8. Langdon/Edmore/Munich 3-1 53
9. Grant County 5-0 42
10. Richland 0-1 19
Others Receiving Votes: Watford City (3-0), Bishop Ryan (3-1), Kidder County (4-1), Rugby (4-1), Finley-Sharon-Hope-Page (4-1), Medina/Pingree-Buchanan (4-1), New Town (2-1).
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:41 pm

3RD POLL
Monday, December 19th

1. North Star (8) 6-0 146
2. Park River-FL (4) 6-0 143
3. Shiloh Christian (2) 5-0 126
4. Carrington 7-0 118
5. Kindred (2) 4-0 80
6. Our Redeemer's 4-0 78
7. LaMoure-LM 6-0 70
8. Langdon/Edmore/Munich 5-1 44
9. Grant County 6-0 40
10. Watford City 4-0 19
Others Receiving Votes: Richland (2-1), New Town (4-1), Bishop Ryan (3-1), Powers Lake (4-0), Rugby (5-1).
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Rivershark » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:00 pm

Curious to know what other people are thinking so far for the season.

1. North Star (8) 6-0 146 (Waiting to see how they do against some competitive teams)
2. Park River-FL (4) 6-0 143 (Extremely well balanced team with the six seniors)
3. Shiloh Christian (2) 5-0 126 (Won a close game against Ryan. Is Ryan coming around after their 1st game?)
4. Carrington 7-0 118 ???
5. Kindred (2) 4-0 80 ???
6. Our Redeemer's 4-0 78 ???
7. LaMoure-LM 6-0 70 (Very hard working team, but can't match up against the taller teams)
8. Langdon/Edmore/Munich 5-1 44 (A good team, but maybe ranked higher than they should)
9. Grant County 6-0 40
10. Watford City 4-0 19
Others Receiving Votes: Richland (2-1), New Town (4-1), Bishop Ryan (3-1), Powers Lake (4-0), Rugby (5-1).
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:00 pm

FOURTH POLL
Monday, December 26th

1. North Star (7) 8-0 120
2. Park River-FL (3) 8-0 114
3. Shiloh Christian (1) 6-0 104
4. Carrington 8-0 91
5. Kindred (2) 6-0 88
6. Our Redeemer's 5-0 58
7. Grant County 8-0 47
8. Langdon/Edmore/Munich 5-1 38
9. LaMoure-LM 7-1 20
10. Bishop Ryan 4-2 14
Others Receiving Votes: New Town (6-1), Oak Grove (5-1), Richland (2-2), Dickinson Trinity (2-5), Enderlin (7-1), Rugby (7-1), Watford City (4-2).
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby ndlionsfan » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:06 pm

Who has Trinity played to be 2-5?
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby scc » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:07 pm

Trinity has wins over Parshall and Hazen; their losses are to Park River-Fordville-Lankin, New Town, Shiloh Christian, Wilton-Wing, and Watford City.
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Flip » Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:39 pm

ndlionsfan wrote:Who has Trinity played to be 2-5?

http://northdakota-scores.net/teamsched ... &tid=12807

Close losses though. Their average margin of defeat in their 5 losses is just over 15 ppg.
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:05 pm

Flip wrote:
ndlionsfan wrote:Who has Trinity played to be 2-5?

http://northdakota-scores.net/teamsched ... &tid=12807

Close losses though. Their average margin of defeat in their 5 losses is just over 15 ppg.


Honestly, DT is 70th in my latest ranking (SD Pts-style formula)...so I'm a little shocked on their votes received this week
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby ndlionsfan » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:21 pm

Tough schedule, but losses weren't that close and the WW loss is a bad one. One person out west must think they are still a top 10 team.
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:32 pm

Here is my ranking formula's Top 20 (similar to SD's power points system)

*Thru 12/27/16*
**Numbers change daily when games are played**
***Includes Out-of-State Games...SD/MN opp. updated daily...MT and others on Wed & Sun***

1. Park River-FL (8-0) 46.63
2. Carrington (8-0) 46.63
3. Kindred (6-0) 45.33
4. Bishop Ryan (4-2) 45.33
5. Langdon (5-1) 44.67
6. Des Lacs-Burlington (5-1) 44.67
7. Powers Lake (6-1) 44.67
8. Our Redeemer's (6-0) 44.60
9. Shiloh Christian (6-0) 44.50
10. Grant County (8-0) 44.38
11. Kidder County (5-2) 44.29
12. LaMoure-LM (7-1) 44.13
13. Velva/Sawyer (5-2) 43.86
14. Watford City (4-2) 43.83
15. Enderlin (7-1) 43.75
16. New Town (6-1) 43.71
17. North Star (8-0) 43.63
18. Edgeley-Kulm-Montpelier (5-2) 43.43
19. Medina/Pingree-Buchanan (6-2) 43.13
20. Oak Grove (5-1) 43.00
20. Rugby (7-1) 43.00
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:20 am

*Thru 12/29/16*
**Re-posted to show how much movement can happen in one day**

1. Park River-FL (8-0) 46.63
2. Kindred (7-0) 45.57
3. Carrington (8-0) 45.50
4. Langdon/Edmore/Munich (7-1) 44.88
5. Kidder County (5-2) 44.71
6. Powers Lake (5-1) 44.67
7. Des Lacs-Burlington (6-1) 44.57
8. Shiloh Christian (6-0) 44.50
9. LaMoure-LM (7-1) 44.50
10. Bishop Ryan (4-3) 44.43
11. Grant County (8-0) 44.38
12. New Town (7-1) 44.13
13. North Star (9-0) 44.00
14. Oak Grove (7-1) 44.00
15. Velva/Sawyer (5-2) 43.86
16. Watford City (4-2) 43.83
17. Rugby (8-1) 43.78
18. Enderlin (7-1) 43.75
19. Our Redeemer's (5-1) 43.67
20. Edgeley-Kulm-Montpelier (6-2) 43.50

I plan to post this rankings in a new topic at the Start of the Year...updating Top 20 as much as possible
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Rivershark » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:30 pm

Curious to know how loosing to good teams keeps Minot Ryan so high in the rankings and polls?
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:42 pm

Rivershark wrote:Curious to know how loosing to good teams keeps Minot Ryan so high in the rankings and polls?


The most points a loss is worth is 39 (to really good teams...based on winning%)...so if you consider that their 3 losses were to solid teams it doesn't hurt their average too much...especially if their wins are against high win % teams as well. MAX points possible is 50 (unless you play a Class A team or higher class Out-of-State team).

Bishop Ryan's Losses:
Park River-FL (8-0)
Shiloh Christian (6-0)
North Star (9-0)

Bishop Ryan's Wins (3 of which are Top 20 teams in this ranking):
Rugby (8-1)
New Town (7-1)
Watford City (4-2)
Westhope-Newburg (5-3)
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:00 pm

FIFTH POLL
Monday, January 2nd

1. North Star (8) 9-0 120
2. Park River-Fordville-Lankin (2) 8-0 114
3. Shiloh Christian (1) 6-0 102
4. Kindred (2) 7-0 91
5. Carrington 8-0 89
6. Grant County 8-0 58
7. Langdon/Edmore/Munich 7-1 47
8. LaMoure-Litchville-Marion 7-1 35
9. Oak Grove 7-1 16
10. Our Redeemer's 5-1 14
Others Receiving Votes: New Town (8-1), Rugby (8-1), Bishop Ryan (4-3), Enderlin (7-1).
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:22 pm

SIXTH POLL
Monday, January 9th

1. North Star (9) 10-0 142
2. Park River-FL (3) 10-0 135
3. Kindred (3) 8-0 119
4. Carrington 9-0 109
5. Langdon/Edmore/Munich 8-1 69
6. Oak Grove 9-1 68
7. Shiloh Christian 6-2 50
8. New Town 10-1 27
9. Grant County 9-1 26
9. Our Redeemer's 7-2 26
Others Receiving Votes: LaMoure-LM (9-2), Rugby (10-1), Bishop Ryan (6-3), Enderlin (8-1), Des Lacs-Burlington (8-1), Velva/Sawyer (7-2)
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Sorenson23 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:56 pm

Just curious how far the Underwood Lady Comets are from receiving votes their currently 8-3. Thanks.
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Rivershark » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:25 am

I'm assuming the 3 individuals that gave Kindred three 1st place votes also gave Oak Grove some pretty high votes. I do not feel Oak Grove is a top 6 team. Take them out of the top 10 and Kindred has no quality wins. There are a few honorable mention teams that I feel could easily compete with Oak Grove. Polls would be more interesting if the individuals voting had to explain their reasoning.
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Flip » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:59 am

Rivershark wrote:I'm assuming the 3 individuals that gave Kindred three 1st place votes also gave Oak Grove some pretty high votes. I do not feel Oak Grove is a top 6 team. Take them out of the top 10 and Kindred has no quality wins. There are a few honorable mention teams that I feel could easily compete with Oak Grove. Polls would be more interesting if the individuals voting had to explain their reasoning.

Naive to dismiss a team because you know nothing about them.
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:00 am

Rivershark wrote:I'm assuming the 3 individuals that gave Kindred three 1st place votes also gave Oak Grove some pretty high votes. I do not feel Oak Grove is a top 6 team. Take them out of the top 10 and Kindred has no quality wins. There are a few honorable mention teams that I feel could easily compete with Oak Grove. Polls would be more interesting if the individuals voting had to explain their reasoning.


Kindred also beat Barnesville, MN 67-58 on the road...Barnesville is 10-2 on the season playing in MN Class AA and their only other loss is to #1AA Roseau, MN 74-68. That right there is a quality win for Kindred.

Kindred also returned much of their team from last year's 19-4 season (Region runners up to FCT)

Oak Grove is riding high on an incredible win streak while beating some quality teams along the way:
Richland (6-3; just beat #8 LaMoure and gave L/E/M all they could handle)
Medina/PB (7-4; losses to Carrington x2, LaMoure & OG)
Thompson (7-4; young but formidable team...near top of R2 but still well below PRFL; OG played flat this game)
Shiloh Christian (6-2; defending state champs and ranked #3 at time of win; forced 32 TOs and hit 11 3's)

**Of those 4 wins....3 were on neutral courts or on the road (Richland was home game)
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Rivershark » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:05 am

Run4Fun2009 wrote:
Rivershark wrote:I'm assuming the 3 individuals that gave Kindred three 1st place votes also gave Oak Grove some pretty high votes. I do not feel Oak Grove is a top 6 team. Take them out of the top 10 and Kindred has no quality wins. There are a few honorable mention teams that I feel could easily compete with Oak Grove. Polls would be more interesting if the individuals voting had to explain their reasoning.


Kindred also beat Barnesville, MN 67-58 on the road...Barnesville is 10-2 on the season playing in MN Class AA and their only other loss is to #1AA Roseau, MN 74-68. That right there is a quality win for Kindred.

Kindred also returned much of their team from last year's 19-4 season (Region runners up to FCT)

Oak Grove is riding high on an incredible win streak while beating some quality teams along the way:
Richland (6-3; just beat #8 LaMoure and gave L/E/M all they could handle)
Medina/PB (7-4; losses to Carrington x2, LaMoure & OG)
Thompson (7-4; young but formidable team...near top of R2 but still well below PRFL; OG played flat this game)
Shiloh Christian (6-2; defending state champs and ranked #3 at time of win; forced 32 TOs and hit 11 3's)

**Of those 4 wins....3 were on neutral courts or on the road (Richland was home game)


That's more like! This is the stuff I like to see. I like to hear how the other teams progress throughout the season because you sure don't see it any other place. I did see them play Thompson and I agree they did look flat.
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:31 am

Rivershark wrote:
Run4Fun2009 wrote:
Rivershark wrote:I'm assuming the 3 individuals that gave Kindred three 1st place votes also gave Oak Grove some pretty high votes. I do not feel Oak Grove is a top 6 team. Take them out of the top 10 and Kindred has no quality wins. There are a few honorable mention teams that I feel could easily compete with Oak Grove. Polls would be more interesting if the individuals voting had to explain their reasoning.


Kindred also beat Barnesville, MN 67-58 on the road...Barnesville is 10-2 on the season playing in MN Class AA and their only other loss is to #1AA Roseau, MN 74-68. That right there is a quality win for Kindred.

Kindred also returned much of their team from last year's 19-4 season (Region runners up to FCT)

Oak Grove is riding high on an incredible win streak while beating some quality teams along the way:
Richland (6-3; just beat #8 LaMoure and gave L/E/M all they could handle)
Medina/PB (7-4; losses to Carrington x2, LaMoure & OG)
Thompson (7-4; young but formidable team...near top of R2 but still well below PRFL; OG played flat this game)
Shiloh Christian (6-2; defending state champs and ranked #3 at time of win; forced 32 TOs and hit 11 3's)

**Of those 4 wins....3 were on neutral courts or on the road (Richland was home game)


That's more like! This is the stuff I like to see. I like to hear how the other teams progress throughout the season because you sure don't see it any other place. I did see them play Thompson and I agree they did look flat.


Thanks to KMAV.com we can enjoy RPI & SOS rankings also to give an idea of team's seasons too.

http://classbbasketball.com/?s=rpi&y=2016&g=g
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Rivershark » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:23 pm

I feel that sometimes the RPI and SOS numbers raise more questions. For example, Minot Ryan is #1 in RPI. Their 3 losses were to the top 3 teams which is understandable, yet North Star has a low strength of schedule, so how do you really know they are a quality team without being tested? Does the RPI take into consideration the weekly media polls? It will be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out with these numbers.
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Re: 2016-17 POLLS

Postby Flip » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:35 pm

Rivershark wrote:I feel that sometimes the RPI and SOS numbers raise more questions. For example, Minot Ryan is #1 in RPI. Their 3 losses were to the top 3 teams which is understandable, yet North Star has a low strength of schedule, so how do you really know they are a quality team without being tested? Does the RPI take into consideration the weekly media polls? It will be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out with these numbers.

If you can't look at North Star's results and tell they are a quality team you have blinders on.

When has PR actually been "tested" this year?
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