2014-15 Polls

[fandb]

Girls state tournament is looking to be very evenly matched this year or am I missing something.

I don't think anybody can challenge Ryan, kinda not cool i know but its the truth. Maybe kindred will give them a run if they see them( because they have a decent bench too, and have speed), I though maybe TT too, but their team play has fallen apart, compared to the being of the yr. Regarding state location, Minot?? really, worse place possible.

Your logic behind TT being able to challenge the Bishop Ryan Lions?

[balla45]

Girls state tournament is looking to be very evenly matched this year or am I missing something.

I don't think anybody can challenge Ryan, kinda not cool i know but its the truth. Maybe kindred will give them a run if they see them( because they have a decent bench too, and have speed), I though maybe TT too, but their team play has fallen apart, compared to the being of the yr. Regarding state location, Minot?? really, worse place possible.

Your logic behind TT being able to challenge the Bishop Ryan Lions?

LOL! Maybe losing those "selfish seniors" hurt them!!!

Anyone notice that Gallegher and Weber are doing quite well as college freshmen players?

[Run4Fun2009]

NEW POLLS to be posted around 7:00pm

[Run4Fun2009]

STATE POLL #9
February 2nd, 2015

1. Bishop Ryan (13) 17-1 130
2. Kindred 16-0 114
3. Lakota/Edmore 13-2 88
4. Thompson 13-2 84
5. Watford City 15-1 75
6. Carrington 14-1 55
7. Fairmount/CT 16-1 49
8. Shiloh Christian 15-2 42
9. Parshall 14-2 22
10. North Star 13-3 21
Others Receiving Votes: Dickinson Trinity (12-3), Garrison (15-1), Kidder County (15-3), Maple Valley (15-2).

[CC1983]

So NorthStar beats Carrington, and goes from getting votes to not. That makes perfect sense.

[ndlionsfan]

So NorthStar beats Carrington, and goes from getting votes to not. That makes perfect sense.

I don't think it really matters cause I see Northstar winning region 4 anyway

[BigCat]

So NorthStar beats Carrington, and goes from getting votes to not. That makes perfect sense.

I don't think it really matters cause I see Northstar winning region 4 anyway

Well said! Its a definite race for 2nd place regardless of the polls unless Ryan has (heaven forbid) health or injury issues at tourney time. With their talent and size, I don't believe they can play bad enough to let anyone else in. The only other solid in the polls top 10 and RV's at this point is Kindred. They've beaten everyone in their region handily except Maple Valley (Thurs nite), along with the top three teams in Region 2. It all comes down to putting it together at tourney time.

[NodakQ2]

So NorthStar beats Carrington, and goes from getting votes to not. That makes perfect sense.

I think North Star is supposed to be the #10 team in the poll. Shiloh C. is listed twice and I believe the #10 spot matches North Star's stats.

[CC1983]

Guess it doesn't matter anymore. NorthStar lost to Park River tonight.

[BigCat]

Guess it doesn't matter anymore. NorthStar lost to Park River tonight.

I've seen them PRFL ladies play and they play like they hate to lose. I'd hate to play them at tourney time if they come in with an abundance of confidence.

[radball]

So NorthStar beats Carrington, and goes from getting votes to not. That makes perfect sense.

Thompson beat F/E and look at the poll. The people that doe the regular season poll don't look at heads up match ups. Kinda reminds me of college football.

[Run4Fun2009]

So NorthStar beats Carrington, and goes from getting votes to not. That makes perfect sense.

Thompson beat F/E and look at the poll. The people that doe the regular season poll don't look at heads up match ups. Kinda reminds me of college football.

That game happened earlier in the season and was only a 1 point win for Thompson. Poll represent how things are going for teams in the present.

Let's compare last 7 games...shall we:

Thompson (14-2)
MPCG (7-9) W 70-38
Kindred (16-0) L 35-55
Grafton (12-5) W 48-45
GCC (0-16) W 76-20
Cavalier (4-14) W 61-29
Larimore (6-10) W 44-35
H-CV (12-6) W 39-34

Lakota/Edmore (14-2: Winners of last 9...last loss was Bishop Ryan on 12/18)
Benson Cty (12-5) W 47-38
Park River-FL (14-3) W 49-45
New Rockford-Shey (2-16) W 79-31
Harvey-WC (12-6) W 63-42
Four Winds-Minn (12-6) W 65-37
Valley City (7-9) W 58-50
Cavalier (4-14) W 70-25

They do have Common Opponents:
Grafton
Thompson: W 48-45
Lakota/Edmore: W 59-28

Bishop Ryan
Thompson: L 35-63
Lakota/Edmore: L 41-63

Cavalier
Thompson: W 61-29
Lakota/Edmore: W 70-25

New Rockford-Sheyenne
Thompson: W 63-25
Lakota/Edmore: W 79-31

[BigCat]

So NorthStar beats Carrington, and goes from getting votes to not. That makes perfect sense.

Thompson beat F/E and look at the poll. The people that doe the regular season poll don't look at heads up match ups. Kinda reminds me of college football.

That game happened earlier in the season and was only a 1 point win for Thompson. Poll represent how things are going for teams in the present.

Let's compare last 7 games...shall we:

Thompson (14-2)
MPCG (7-9) W 70-38
Kindred (16-0) L 35-55
Grafton (12-5) W 48-45
GCC (0-16) W 76-20
Cavalier (4-14) W 61-29
Larimore (6-10) W 44-35
H-CV (12-6) W 39-34

Lakota/Edmore (14-2: Winners of last 9...last loss was Bishop Ryan on 12/18)
Benson Cty (12-5) W 47-38
Park River-FL (14-3) W 49-45
New Rockford-Shey (2-16) W 79-31
Harvey-WC (12-6) W 63-42
Four Winds-Minn (12-6) W 65-37
Valley City (7-9) W 58-50
Cavalier (4-14) W 70-25

They do have Common Opponents:
Grafton
Thompson: W 48-45
Lakota/Edmore: W 59-28

Bishop Ryan
Thompson: L 35-63
Lakota/Edmore: L 41-63

Cavalier
Thompson: W 61-29
Lakota/Edmore: W 70-25

New Rockford-Sheyenne
Thompson: W 63-25
Lakota/Edmore: W 79-31

I believe the comparison to be very telling. The problem with it is that it will most likely be misunderstood due to your good grammar.

[Run4Fun2009]

So NorthStar beats Carrington, and goes from getting votes to not. That makes perfect sense.

There was a typo sir...it was fixed ASAP.

I had to rush to type it in before a game started on Monday night!

[CC1983]

So NorthStar beats Carrington, and goes from getting votes to not. That makes perfect sense.

There was a typo sir...it was fixed ASAP.

I had to rush to type it in before a game started on Monday night!

I apologize. Didn't mean to offend you run. But does seem like something the pollsters would do.

[radball]

So NorthStar beats Carrington, and goes from getting votes to not. That makes perfect sense.

Thompson beat F/E and look at the poll. The people that doe the regular season poll don't look at heads up match ups. Kinda reminds me of college football.

That game happened earlier in the season and was only a 1 point win for Thompson. Poll represent how things are going for teams in the present.

Let's compare last 7 games...shall we:

Thompson (14-2)
MPCG (7-9) W 70-38
Kindred (16-0) L 35-55
Grafton (12-5) W 48-45
GCC (0-16) W 76-20
Cavalier (4-14) W 61-29
Larimore (6-10) W 44-35
H-CV (12-6) W 39-34

Lakota/Edmore (14-2: Winners of last 9...last loss was Bishop Ryan on 12/18)
Benson Cty (12-5) W 47-38
Park River-FL (14-3) W 49-45
New Rockford-Shey (2-16) W 79-31
Harvey-WC (12-6) W 63-42
Four Winds-Minn (12-6) W 65-37
Valley City (7-9) W 58-50
Cavalier (4-14) W 70-25

They do have Common Opponents:
Grafton
Thompson: W 48-45
Lakota/Edmore: W 59-28

Bishop Ryan
Thompson: L 35-63
Lakota/Edmore: L 41-63

Cavalier
Thompson: W 61-29
Lakota/Edmore: W 70-25

New Rockford-Sheyenne
Thompson: W 63-25
Lakota/Edmore: W 79-31

I believe the comparison to be very telling. The problem with it is that it will most likely be misunderstood due to your good grammar.

ahh yes, grammar nut. So we award HIGH SCHOOL teams for running up a score? I thought sportsmanship is part of the ND sports creed that is read before every game( or at least the ones i've been at)? Plus did you do the math on the games listed? It's not that big of a difference, based on coaching i saw last yr for tt, he pulled the starters at the very beginning of the 4 th quarter, and LE coach left in the starters in till the very end of the game, when they had a blow out going the whole game. I understand its the other teams job to stop the other team, but this isn't college, its high school sports. Whats everyone thought on running up a score in high school sports, is that sportsmanship or not?

[balla45]

My thought. If I am a player who has put a lot of time in to become a good player, and I only get to play 20 minutes a night because we blow everyone out, I think that is unfair.

[BigCat]

My thought. If I am a player who has put a lot of time in to become a good player, and I only get to play 20 minutes a night because we blow everyone out, I think that is unfair.

I agree 100%. I would also add that I have not seen or heard of anyone running up scores, and I watch a lot of games and teams. This whole conversation is spurred by one person unhappy with the outcome of his team this year and finds it easy to blame others. Kids are wired to go 100%, 100% of the time. When they are playing a bad team, what are they supposed to do? Yeah, a coach could put in the 7th graders earlier, but teams need game time experience and floor time late in the year. Trust me, the coaches I know are very careful when playing a bad to mediocre team so an not to get a reputation of pouring it on. I am inclined to say, get over it RB!

[Flying Wallenda]

So NorthStar beats Carrington, and goes from getting votes to not. That makes perfect sense.

Thompson beat F/E and look at the poll. The people that doe the regular season poll don't look at heads up match ups. Kinda reminds me of college football.

That game happened earlier in the season and was only a 1 point win for Thompson. Poll represent how things are going for teams in the present.

Let's compare last 7 games...shall we:

Thompson (14-2)
MPCG (7-9) W 70-38
Kindred (16-0) L 35-55
Grafton (12-5) W 48-45
GCC (0-16) W 76-20
Cavalier (4-14) W 61-29
Larimore (6-10) W 44-35
H-CV (12-6) W 39-34

Lakota/Edmore (14-2: Winners of last 9...last loss was Bishop Ryan on 12/18)
Benson Cty (12-5) W 47-38
Park River-FL (14-3) W 49-45
New Rockford-Shey (2-16) W 79-31
Harvey-WC (12-6) W 63-42
Four Winds-Minn (12-6) W 65-37
Valley City (7-9) W 58-50
Cavalier (4-14) W 70-25

They do have Common Opponents:
Grafton
Thompson: W 48-45
Lakota/Edmore: W 59-28

Bishop Ryan
Thompson: L 35-63
Lakota/Edmore: L 41-63

Cavalier
Thompson: W 61-29
Lakota/Edmore: W 70-25

New Rockford-Sheyenne
Thompson: W 63-25
Lakota/Edmore: W 79-31

I believe the comparison to be very telling. The problem with it is that it will most likely be misunderstood due to your good grammar.

ahh yes, grammar nut. So we award HIGH SCHOOL teams for running up a score? I thought sportsmanship is part of the ND sports creed that is read before every game( or at least the ones i've been at)? Plus did you do the math on the games listed? It's not that big of a difference, based on coaching i saw last yr for tt, he pulled the starters at the very beginning of the 4 th quarter, and LE coach left in the starters in till the very end of the game, when they had a blow out going the whole game. I understand its the other teams job to stop the other team, but this isn't college, its high school sports. Whats everyone thought on running up a score in high school sports, is that sportsmanship or not?

Why in gods name would a DI college scout give two craps about where Thompson and LE are ranked in a HS poll? Funny, just had a parent complain to me about YOUR team running it up (I didn't think they did incidentally).
1)List the games YOU attended last year that LE ran it up.
2)What are your thoughts on FF after she led LE to a win over semi-competitive Valley City team, when LE was down its 2nd best player? Make sure to include a bunch of stuff about how it didn't matter cause she wasn't matched up with your favorite player, along with several "team ball" references. Thanks in advance!

[momofathletes]

So NorthStar beats Carrington, and goes from getting votes to not. That makes perfect sense.

Thompson beat F/E and look at the poll. The people that doe the regular season poll don't look at heads up match ups. Kinda reminds me of college football.

That game happened earlier in the season and was only a 1 point win for Thompson. Poll represent how things are going for teams in the present.

Let's compare last 7 games...shall we:

Thompson (14-2)
MPCG (7-9) W 70-38
Kindred (16-0) L 35-55
Grafton (12-5) W 48-45
GCC (0-16) W 76-20
Cavalier (4-14) W 61-29
Larimore (6-10) W 44-35
H-CV (12-6) W 39-34

Lakota/Edmore (14-2: Winners of last 9...last loss was Bishop Ryan on 12/18)
Benson Cty (12-5) W 47-38
Park River-FL (14-3) W 49-45
New Rockford-Shey (2-16) W 79-31
Harvey-WC (12-6) W 63-42
Four Winds-Minn (12-6) W 65-37
Valley City (7-9) W 58-50
Cavalier (4-14) W 70-25

They do have Common Opponents:
Grafton
Thompson: W 48-45
Lakota/Edmore: W 59-28

Bishop Ryan
Thompson: L 35-63
Lakota/Edmore: L 41-63

Cavalier
Thompson: W 61-29
Lakota/Edmore: W 70-25

New Rockford-Sheyenne
Thompson: W 63-25
Lakota/Edmore: W 79-31

I believe the comparison to be very telling. The problem with it is that it will most likely be misunderstood due to your good grammar.

ahh yes, grammar nut. So we award HIGH SCHOOL teams for running up a score? I thought sportsmanship is part of the ND sports creed that is read before every game( or at least the ones i've been at)? Plus did you do the math on the games listed? It's not that big of a difference, based on coaching i saw last yr for tt, he pulled the starters at the very beginning of the 4 th quarter, and LE coach left in the starters in till the very end of the game, when they had a blow out going the whole game. I understand its the other teams job to stop the other team, but this isn't college, its high school sports. Whats everyone thought on running up a score in high school sports, is that sportsmanship or not?

So Radball is still stewing about a game from last year in reference to this year's poll and whining because his team is ranked lower than another team they had previously beaten early in the season. 3 words: GET OVER IT.

On another note, IMO I have seen a case of running up the score. I saw a game a couple weeks ago where the coach of a team behind by about 20-25 points cleared his bench and put in all 2nd stringers with about 4 minutes left in the game. The other coach did the same shortly thereafter, except he left in his one stud player. She continued to get the ball on every possession and added another 6-8 points while she was playing against all JV players essentially. So to me that is running up the score, or at minimum if I may use one of Radball's favorite phrases "padding her stats". And in this case it was not because she wasn't getting enough minutes. She sat for a very brief breather in first half and didn't sit again until about 1 minute left in the game.

[scoobyx2]

My thought. If I am a player who has put a lot of time in to become a good player, and I only get to play 20 minutes a night because we blow everyone out, I think that is unfair.

I agree. Some of these players work really hard all year to play. Do you think the scoring leaders in our basketball history all played in close games? Someone pointed out that this is high school not college, but we forget that these talented players are high school kids.

[BigCat]

So NorthStar beats Carrington, and goes from getting votes to not. That makes perfect sense.

Thompson beat F/E and look at the poll. The people that doe the regular season poll don't look at heads up match ups. Kinda reminds me of college football.

That game happened earlier in the season and was only a 1 point win for Thompson. Poll represent how things are going for teams in the present.

Let's compare last 7 games...shall we:

Thompson (14-2)
MPCG (7-9) W 70-38
Kindred (16-0) L 35-55
Grafton (12-5) W 48-45
GCC (0-16) W 76-20
Cavalier (4-14) W 61-29
Larimore (6-10) W 44-35
H-CV (12-6) W 39-34

Lakota/Edmore (14-2: Winners of last 9...last loss was Bishop Ryan on 12/18)
Benson Cty (12-5) W 47-38
Park River-FL (14-3) W 49-45
New Rockford-Shey (2-16) W 79-31
Harvey-WC (12-6) W 63-42
Four Winds-Minn (12-6) W 65-37
Valley City (7-9) W 58-50
Cavalier (4-14) W 70-25

They do have Common Opponents:
Grafton
Thompson: W 48-45
Lakota/Edmore: W 59-28

Bishop Ryan
Thompson: L 35-63
Lakota/Edmore: L 41-63

Cavalier
Thompson: W 61-29
Lakota/Edmore: W 70-25

New Rockford-Sheyenne
Thompson: W 63-25
Lakota/Edmore: W 79-31

I believe the comparison to be very telling. The problem with it is that it will most likely be misunderstood due to your good grammar.

ahh yes, grammar nut. So we award HIGH SCHOOL teams for running up a score? I thought sportsmanship is part of the ND sports creed that is read before every game( or at least the ones i've been at)? Plus did you do the math on the games listed? It's not that big of a difference, based on coaching i saw last yr for tt, he pulled the starters at the very beginning of the 4 th quarter, and LE coach left in the starters in till the very end of the game, when they had a blow out going the whole game. I understand its the other teams job to stop the other team, but this isn't college, its high school sports. Whats everyone thought on running up a score in high school sports, is that sportsmanship or not?

So Radball is still stewing about a game from last year in reference to this year's poll and whining because his team is ranked lower than another team they had previously beaten early in the season. 3 words: GET OVER IT.

On another note, IMO I have seen a case of running up the score. I saw a game a couple weeks ago where the coach of a team behind by about 20-25 points cleared his bench and put in all 2nd stringers with about 4 minutes left in the game. The other coach did the same shortly thereafter, except he left in his one stud player. She continued to get the ball on every possession and added another 6-8 points while she was playing against all JV players essentially. So to me that is running up the score, or at minimum if I may use one of Radball's favorite phrases "padding her stats". And in this case it was not because she wasn't getting enough minutes. She sat for a very brief breather in first half and didn't sit again until about 1 minute left in the game.

Okay, it's killin' me! Need a hint on what team. I can figure out the rest!

[momofathletes]

Okay, it's killin' me! Need a hint on what team. I can figure out the rest!

I respectfully decline to call out a coach/team/player in this instance. I was pointing out a situation and not intending to banter back and forth on what constitutes running up a score. However, if curiosity is killing the (Big)cat I would be happy to oblige your request if you pm me. Otherwise I will leave it at that.

[BigCat]

Okay, it's killin' me! Need a hint on what team. I can figure out the rest!

I respectfully decline to call out a coach/team/player in this instance. I was pointing out a situation and not intending to banter back and forth on what constitutes running up a score. However, if curiosity is killing the (Big)cat I would be happy to oblige your request if you pm me. Otherwise I will leave it at that.

Never mind, it was just the first thing that popped into my mind as I don't know any coaches that practice "piling on." "Running up the score" or "padding stats'" are usually emotional complaints by the parents of the kids on the losing end. By the way, what's with the parentheses?

[rains32]

It also makes it difficult to take out your main players when you only have 10 players, 5 start, 2 players come off the bench and play considerable minutes and your second leading scorer this season has been hurt since the first of the year. Some of your starters will be in no matter what the score is.