Top Myths From Class "B" Basketball

[Indy5]

Thats also top 10 out of 18. This is top 10 out of 120. I'm not disrespecting class A at all. I know that the top 14 teams could probably beat or at least play with every top ten team in class B. All I'm saying is every year, there are some very good teams sitting at home watching state in class B. I know this is the case for a couple good class A teams too but every region usually has 3 maybe 4 good teams with only one going. Class A each region has probably 6 good teams with 4 going. Of course there are always exceptions to the rule.

[balla45]

Instead of arguing A and B, it should almost be regions that are argued individually. Because depending on which region you reside in, A or B, your chances can rise or fall dramatically.

[steve34]

This whole argument about A vs. B is pointless, because every good B team in the state makes State B. If they are truly good, they will win two games in their district tournament and advance. Comparing A to B is like comparing apples to oranges.

B has 64 teams that advance to state, all with a chance to play loser-out basketball to the state title. No one ranked in the top 10 is left home unless they experience disaster in their district. It doesn't matter when Oak Grove meets Central Cass this year, or when North Star meets Carrington. If the play in what you call the "regionals", and one eliminates the other, they both made the loser-out competition set to determine the state champion. They both made the state tournament. One just advance a round further.

A's conference tourneys are B's districts. If you're going to compare A and B, you have to do it at the right level. Sure, its tougher for B teams to make the Elite 8, but that's not the point. If you're one of the 64 left after districts, you made the state tournament.

[i am legend]

This whole argument about A vs. B is pointless, because every good B team in the state makes State B. If they are truly good, they will win two games in their district tournament and advance. Comparing A to B is like comparing apples to oranges.

B has 64 teams that advance to state, all with a chance to play loser-out basketball to the state title. No one ranked in the top 10 is left home unless they experience disaster in their district. It doesn't matter when Oak Grove meets Central Cass this year, or when North Star meets Carrington. If the play in what you call the "regionals", and one eliminates the other, they both made the loser-out competition set to determine the state champion. They both made the state tournament. One just advance a round further.

A's conference tourneys are B's districts. If you're going to compare A and B, you have to do it at the right level. Sure, its tougher for B teams to make the Elite 8, but that's not the point. If you're one of the 64 left after districts, you made the state tournament.

what is wrong with u!!!! makining regionals doesnt mean anything!! regionals is not state. u should really get out more. cuz u know nothing about class b basketball!!!!

[jordanpippen]

Bottom line: Class B is not as talented as class A. Also, if your down with a few minutes left and the other team can shoot freethrows, game over mine as well just call it. GET A SHOT CLOCK!! (or forget about the possibility of a comeback) I know there have been comebacks in class B but if the coach is smart he would just hold it for the final quarter if hes ahead. Why would you shoot it?

[steve34]

I have been around the game a lot longer than you have, son. I know plenty. The bracket is posted for in this thread for this year's state tournament. It is a 64 team, single-elimination tournament that begins following the districts.

Please reference the bracket, then try again later.

[Indy5]

Steve, don't even answer this if you are going to give me the same reason you have given for every other question someone has asked you, but why must you continuously say that regionlas is a prat of state? I know there are no additional seedings once you get to state. You play the champ from whichever region you are paired up with. But come on man, this is getting really annoying with you insisting that state is a 64 team tournament. State tournament is the state tournament. Regionals are not state.

I'll give you an example. Do you follow DAC football at all? By your logic, once you start conference play, you start the NAIA national tournament because in the DAC you pretty much have to go undefeated to win the conference. Also there usually are not 2 teams that make the playoffs. This year was an exception with Minot and Dickinson both getting in.

[bballuvr]

Bottom line: Class B is not as talented as class A. Also, if your down with a few minutes left and the other team can shoot freethrows, game over mine as well just call it. GET A SHOT CLOCK!! (or forget about the possibility of a comeback) I know there have been comebacks in class B but if the coach is smart he would just hold it for the final quarter if hes ahead. Why would you shoot it?

You and Steve 34 must be completely nuts or something. Where does "the bottom line is Class B is not as talented as Class A " come from? Do you think you've discovered something new here? Your comment doesn't fit here. Of course that is true. 1 in 1000 would argue, and they'd be nuts too.
Steve 34 had gotten so bored, he thought he'd try to come up with some ridiclulous stuff about B. I've been guilty of adding to the post total he's generated. I've also more than likely been around longer than you Steve. You discredit the B for what it is. It seems you actually discredit players. I hope not.
Judging from earlier posts from months back, it seems the Linton thing has put you over the edge. Give it up and move on. In no way do I want to disrespect you, but you really need to move on from what I perceive as bitterness.
If this "64 team" thing is posted on the NDHSAA site, so what. I hope you do not revere everything there as the "way it should be". They are the governing body, but have some very questionable actions and reasonings lately.

[Stromer]

This whole argument about A vs. B is pointless, because every good B team in the state makes State B. If they are truly good, they will win two games in their district tournament and advance. Comparing A to B is like comparing apples to oranges.

B has 64 teams that advance to state, all with a chance to play loser-out basketball to the state title. No one ranked in the top 10 is left home unless they experience disaster in their district. It doesn't matter when Oak Grove meets Central Cass this year, or when North Star meets Carrington. If the play in what you call the "regionals", and one eliminates the other, they both made the loser-out competition set to determine the state champion. They both made the state tournament. One just advance a round further.

A's conference tourneys are B's districts. If you're going to compare A and B, you have to do it at the right level. Sure, its tougher for B teams to make the Elite 8, but that's not the point. If you're one of the 64 left after districts, you made the state tournament.

Ok I'll play ball. I can see why you would include the regionals in your state tournament. I won't argue that. However, making what you call the state tournament holds no special place for most people. Your playing teams you have already played in the year. You can call it whatever you want, but only the Elite 8 is special. Thats due to tv coverage, playing teams from different areas of the state, playing in a central location at a top notch facility, staying in hotels, etc. So the Elite 8 has to be the reference to which all comparisons are made. And the fact of the matter is the Elite 8 is much harder to make from class B than from class A, even if some regions are top heavy.

[balla45]

Here is the thing I don't like about saying that it is harder in Class A or Class B. I don't play Class B, so I don't know, but it is incredibly hard to win 2 games at the WDA tournament. Class B people do not realize how difficult that is.

[Stromer]

Here is the thing I don't like about saying that it is harder in Class A or Class B. I don't play Class B, so I don't know, but it is incredibly hard to win 2 games at the WDA tournament. Class B people do not realize how difficult that is.

I probably should have phrased that better. I'm going by percentages of teams making the Elite 8. I'm in no way qualified to judge competition level. But if a team doesn't win 2 games at WDA one year, chances are they will the next year. That doesn't happen at Class B as often. You have to make the most when your opportunities come up.

[steve34]

Knowing both games, when it comes to calibre to teams, I would say it's as difficult to make the Sweet 16 of the state B tournament as it is to get to the state A tournament. As far as I'm concerned, that's not enough to maintain the aura of being "special". It certainly isn't enough to cling to as the reason to prevent any change to the current system. A three-division system would not kill the small class.

[i am legend]

Bottom line: Class B is not as talented as class A. Also, if your down with a few minutes left and the other team can shoot freethrows, game over mine as well just call it. GET A SHOT CLOCK!! (or forget about the possibility of a comeback) I know there have been comebacks in class B but if the coach is smart he would just hold it for the final quarter if hes ahead. Why would you shoot it?

no they dont need a shotclock. and u better have some outstanding ballhandlers if u think its that easy to hold the ball that long.

[i am legend]

I have been around the game a lot longer than you have, son. I know plenty. The bracket is posted for in this thread for this year's state tournament. It is a 64 team, single-elimination tournament that begins following the districts.

Please reference the bracket, then try again later.

just cuz your old doesnt mean that u know much about basketball. the game is always changing and obviously u have fell behind.

[LarryBirdFan]

I got one for you Steve...so your saying that Class B's "64 team state tourney" (which is rediculous) is easier to make it into than Class A's State. I think that it is a heck of a lot harder to make it to the Championship in Class B than in Class A. I will let you do that math on that one, but I think if you are in Class B, then you will have one heck of a lower percent chance of winning the ship than in class A....And the reason that this is relevant is because winning the Ship is the ultimate goal right? So therefor, in class "B", you have to win 6 games in a row to be the champion, where as compared to Class A, you only have to win three in a row. Which one sounds easier to you?

[i am legend]

I got one for you Steve...so your saying that Class B's "64 team state tourney" (which is rediculous) is easier to make it into than Class A's State. I think that it is a heck of a lot harder to make it to the Championship in Class B than in Class A. I will let you do that math on that one, but I think if you are in Class B, then you will have one heck of a lower percent chance of winning the ship than in class A....And the reason that this is relevant is because winning the Ship is the ultimate goal right? So therefor, in class "B", you have to win 6 games in a row to be the champion, where as compared to Class A, you only have to win three in a row. Which one sounds easier to you?

very nice!!!

[Bisonguy06]

Wow, Steve got over 100 replies to his preposterous argument that the State B tournament has 64 teams. He even got a couple suckers to buy in.

On the next thread, he will try to prove that the earth is flat.
The sad thing is, he will probably get a couple suckers in the Red River Valley to buy that, too!

[i am legend]

Wow, Steve got over 100 replies to his preposterous argument that the State B tournament has 64 teams. He even got a couple suckers to buy in.

On the next thread, he will try to prove that the earth is flat.
The sad thing is, he will probably get a couple suckers in the Red River Valley to buy that, too!

its kinda the point of this website.

[Bisonguy06]

The point of this website is what...? To stir the pot? Mission accomplished.

I would not want Steve on the NDHSAA board, but he sure has the passion for a job like that.

[duke_boy90]

[quote="steve34"]Okay, so in a separate forum, I was asked to end my references to "B shot" ball. I thought of responding to it in that forum, but that would only serve to erode that thread further. So, here's a new thread. These myths are the reason why, over the years, I have gone from total respect for B basketball (around 1996 to 2000), to a complete lack of respect for it now, thus my references to "B shot".

Note--If you like Class "B" ball, this thread will pi$$ you off. You may not want to read it.

So how exactly did you expect class "B" fans to respond when you put this on a class "B" thread?

[i am legend]

Okay, so in a separate forum, I was asked to end my references to "B shot" ball. I thought of responding to it in that forum, but that would only serve to erode that thread further. So, here's a new thread. These myths are the reason why, over the years, I have gone from total respect for B basketball (around 1996 to 2000), to a complete lack of respect for it now, thus my references to "B shot".

Note--If you like Class "B" ball, this thread will pi$$ you off. You may not want to read it.

So how exactly did you expect class "B" fans to respond when you put this on a class "B" thread?

oh steve doesnt think or care about class b fans.

[Run4Fun2009]

Sorry forgot to add Region 6 too. Bishop Ryan is ranked in the top ten and I belive Berhtold is number 5. There again is 2 top ten teams where only one can go to state.

agreed...if you want a better example look at the girls rankings and look at all the Region 7 teams in them!

#1 Beach (8-0)
#4 Killdeer (8-0)
#5 Hazen (8-1)
#6 Dickinson Trinity (10-2)
RV Hettinger (6-1)

5 teams from one region...RIDICULOUS!

[i am legend]

Sorry forgot to add Region 6 too. Bishop Ryan is ranked in the top ten and I belive Berhtold is number 5. There again is 2 top ten teams where only one can go to state.

agreed...if you want a better example look at the girls rankings and look at all the Region 7 teams in them!

#1 Beach (8-0)
#4 Killdeer (8-0)
#5 Hazen (8-1)
#6 Dickinson Trinity (10-2)
RV Hettinger (6-1)

5 teams from one region...RIDICULOUS!

oh yah, i totally forgot about that. it really proves how hard it is to get to state.

[steve34]

They will all get to state.

[bballuvr]

Moderator, please lock this topic.
Steve 34 will soon have too much power.