nativegolfer wrote:Why don't you two just kiss and makeup! GO FOUR WINDS!!
cash wrote:and wells co. has a lot of turnovers so far, ironheard is struggling too, sounds like he shoots 30 times a game and makes maybe 10 shots out of those 30
nativegolfer wrote:It was a good game and I'll be the first to give WC more credit than I gave them. I could start on the yeah buts and would if's but that won't go anywhere. I do have one question. Why don't the WC guards shoot more?
shotcaller1 wrote:65-57 fw. tony 19 cj 17 chance 16. 12 to's ..krahler 18, anderson 12, tweed 11. 20 to's. free throws were the difference in this game hands down. yea 20 to's don't help but having 20 to's and only losing by 8 is impressive with the caliber of these two teams. i'd like to know what indians alumni thinks now? how he thought he could talk about wc and make assumptions that he did without seeing wc play? obviously strictly an indian fan and gives very little credit, if any to any other teams just as good or better as fw.
ND_Coach wrote:I think those saying Four Winds will blow Wells County away are being a little over optimistic. Wells County is too good a team to lose by 15-20.
On the season Four Winds Averages 56.7 points allowed per game, Wells County 47. Four Winds scores an average of 79.7, Wells Co 65.7. Looking at the numbers I don't think it is fair to say Wells County's defense will be shreded when they are allowing fewer points per game than Four Winds, and I do not think Four Winds schedule so far has been a lot tougher than Wells County's.
Looking at common opponents this season Wells County beat Mohall 65-41 Four Winds beat them 76-62. Wells County beat New Rockford 70-46 Four Winds beat them 67-55. Against common opponents Four Winds had allowed an average of 15 points more than Wells County.I know common opponents are not the best way to measure teams but at least it is some way to quantify the match up.
Will Ironheart be shut down? No, he is too good of a player. Can Four Winds shut down Krahler and Tweed? No, they are also too good to be shut down. Will Wells County win? Maybe. Could they lose? Possibly. Will Four Winds win? Maybe. Could they lose? Possibly. Will it be a blow out? No. Will it be a great game to watch? Definetly.
Indians Alumni wrote:Well, it wasn't by 15 like I predicted but a "W" is a "W" and I will take that! Little Credit? Are you serious! The only post I see you have is about WC, a team that is 3rd or 4th in the district and you were ready to crown them. So don't sit there and give me your Pardon the Interuption BS about Wells County! They are just going to make Regionals!
Indians Alumni wrote:ND_Coach wrote:I think those saying Four Winds will blow Wells County away are being a little over optimistic. Wells County is too good a team to lose by 15-20.
On the season Four Winds Averages 56.7 points allowed per game, Wells County 47. Four Winds scores an average of 79.7, Wells Co 65.7. Looking at the numbers I don't think it is fair to say Wells County's defense will be shreded when they are allowing fewer points per game than Four Winds, and I do not think Four Winds schedule so far has been a lot tougher than Wells County's.
Looking at common opponents this season Wells County beat Mohall 65-41 Four Winds beat them 76-62. Wells County beat New Rockford 70-46 Four Winds beat them 67-55. Against common opponents Four Winds had allowed an average of 15 points more than Wells County.I know common opponents are not the best way to measure teams but at least it is some way to quantify the match up.
Will Ironheart be shut down? No, he is too good of a player. Can Four Winds shut down Krahler and Tweed? No, they are also too good to be shut down. Will Wells County win? Maybe. Could they lose? Possibly. Will Four Winds win? Maybe. Could they lose? Possibly. Will it be a blow out? No. Will it be a great game to watch? Definetly.
Explain your formula again how WC is the better team?
ND_Coach wrote:Indians Alumni wrote:ND_Coach wrote:I think those saying Four Winds will blow Wells County away are being a little over optimistic. Wells County is too good a team to lose by 15-20.
On the season Four Winds Averages 56.7 points allowed per game, Wells County 47. Four Winds scores an average of 79.7, Wells Co 65.7. Looking at the numbers I don't think it is fair to say Wells County's defense will be shreded when they are allowing fewer points per game than Four Winds, and I do not think Four Winds schedule so far has been a lot tougher than Wells County's.
Looking at common opponents this season Wells County beat Mohall 65-41 Four Winds beat them 76-62. Wells County beat New Rockford 70-46 Four Winds beat them 67-55. Against common opponents Four Winds had allowed an average of 15 points more than Wells County.I know common opponents are not the best way to measure teams but at least it is some way to quantify the match up.
Will Ironheart be shut down? No, he is too good of a player. Can Four Winds shut down Krahler and Tweed? No, they are also too good to be shut down. Will Wells County win? Maybe. Could they lose? Possibly. Will Four Winds win? Maybe. Could they lose? Possibly. Will it be a blow out? No. Will it be a great game to watch? Definetly.
Explain your formula again how WC is the better team?
First, my "formula" was not about how Wells Co. is a better team. The main point of my take was that they were not going to lose by 15-20 like many on this thread, including you had predicted.
The justification for my take was that is you looked at season numbers for points allowed and points scored, with a highlighting of common opponents you would see that the numbers are very equal. Since the numbers were close to equal it was my reasoning that it would be a closer game, which from what I have heard and read it was.
Is comparing common opponents and season stats the best way to predict an outcome, no, and I addressed that in my initial take.
Second, your quote "According to my sources, IH had an off night! and those 20 TO's are cause by good defense, or WC didn't show up when they needed to! Champions show up when they need to! So that really isn't that impressive. "
Was Ironheart's off night the result of good defense or him not showing up when he needed to? It was the biggest game of the year so far, was it not? (The tone of the paragraph is intended to be tounge in cheek)
The point of the last paragraph is to point out the contradiction in claiming that Wells Co. isn't impressive because they either didn't show up or couldn't handle Four Winds D after claiming Ironheart had an off night. DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT SAYING IRONHEART IS A BAD PLAYER, he is great and I would take him on my team anyday, so do not come back and argue any point about me discrediting him or Four Winds. The other point that could be argued is that IRonheart was off and Four Winds won, yes that is true, congratulations. You guys won a big game be happy. I will not make excuses for Wells Co. and why they lost, I could care less. Four Winds won, but it was a lot closer of a game than was being predicted on this thread, which again was my prediction and sole purpose for the original take.
That brings me to point three. The year Wells Co. went to state Sheyenne-Minneawauken beat them in the regular season and then again in districts, only to lose to Wells Co. when it mattered, in regionals. Yes, Wells Co has lost to Leeds and Four Winds so far, but they should not be discredited as a Region contender. Anything can happen come tournament time and just because they lost in January doesn't mean it will be the same in March. Past performance is not always indicative of future results.
So to the Four Winds Indians; congratulations on your big win, good luck the rest of the year. And to the Wells County Bears; They got you this time work harder because you will be playing them again.
I look forward to the best regional Tournament in the state
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