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2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:51 am
by Sorenson23
State Class B Boys Basketball Tournament
@ Minot State University Dome
Thursday March 14th
G1 - #2 Bowman County def #7 Our Redeemer's 55-42
G2 - #3 Westhope-Newburg def #6 Edgeley-Kulm-Montpelier 67-61
G3 - #1 North Star def #8 LaMoure-L-M 52-38
G4 - #4 Bishop Ryan def #5 Sargent County 58-44

Friday March 15th
G5 - #7 Our Redeemer's def #6 Edgeley-Kulm-Montpelier 65-62
G6 - #5 Sargent County def #8 LaMoure-L-M 61-56
G7 - #3 Westhope-Newburg def #2 Bowman County 63-61
G8 - #1 North Star def #4 Bishop Ryan 62-48

Saturday March 16th
G9 - 7th - #8 LaMoure-L-M def #6 Edgeley-Kulm-Montpelier 59-55
G10 - 5th - #5 Sargent County def #7 Our Redeemer's 67-65
G11 - 3rd - #2 Bowman County def #4 Bishop Ryan 62-48
G12 - State Title Game - #3 Westhope-Newburg def #1 North Star 65-52

State Champions - Westhope-Newburg Sioux (26-2)
Runner up - North Star Bearcats (26-2)
3rd - Bowman County Bulldogs (25-3)
4th - Bishop Ryan Lions (24-5)
5th - Sargent County Bulldogs (21-7)
6th - Our Redeemer's Knights (19-10)
7th - LaMoure-L-M Loboes (17-12)
8th - Edgeley-Kulm-Montpelier Rebels (22-7)

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 7:22 am
by Your daddy
Not that it would change this bracket much, but region tourney winners should be seeded 1-4. If you had to play a play in game you shouldn't be seeded higher than a region tourney winner.

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:32 am
by Attack the Process
Your daddy wrote:Not that it would change this bracket much, but region tourney winners should be seeded 1-4. If you had to play a play in game you shouldn't be seeded higher than a region tourney winner.


So what your saying is that the winner of the Summit League should be seeded higher than let's say Duke if they don't win the ACC?

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:38 am
by ndlionsfan
Your daddy wrote:Not that it would change this bracket much, but region tourney winners should be seeded 1-4. If you had to play a play in game you shouldn't be seeded higher than a region tourney winner.


I don't agree. You can have a weaker region or you can have an upset and a team with a lot of losses can be that region champion. Winning the region pulls some additional weight to help with seeding, but I don't feel the champion should be guaranteed a top 4 seed.

Overall, I feel the seedings for this tournament are accurate.

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 10:17 am
by WalkingStick
Attack the Process wrote:
Your daddy wrote:Not that it would change this bracket much, but region tourney winners should be seeded 1-4. If you had to play a play in game you shouldn't be seeded higher than a region tourney winner.


So what your saying is that the winner of the Summit League should be seeded higher than let's say Duke if they don't win the ACC?


This is the exact thought I've always had when people complain about not getting a Top 4 seed (a little extreme but the point is being made).

Seeding looks to be using the season as a whole not just the past 7 days which is the correct way to go about it.

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:39 am
by Your daddy
Look at sargent county's losses. 2 class A schools, a class A SD school, and 3 region loses to top 10 teams. They won their region tourney, why should they get punished for a hard schedule and playing in a very competitive conference. Like I said it wouldn't change much, but I would have given them at least a 4seed.

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:31 am
by packers21
Your daddy wrote:Look at sargent county's losses. 2 class A schools, a class A SD school, and 3 region loses to top 10 teams. They won their region tourney, why should they get punished for a hard schedule and playing in a very competitive conference. Like I said it wouldn't change much, but I would have given them at least a 4seed.


They got a better record in the whites? It actually changes nothing if they are the 4 seed.

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:39 am
by sportsphenom
packers21 wrote:
Your daddy wrote:Look at sargent county's losses. 2 class A schools, a class A SD school, and 3 region loses to top 10 teams. They won their region tourney, why should they get punished for a hard schedule and playing in a very competitive conference. Like I said it wouldn't change much, but I would have given them at least a 4seed.


They got a better record in the whites? It actually changes nothing if they are the 4 seed.


I was just thinking the same thing :lol:

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:48 am
by The Schwab
Your daddy wrote:Look at sargent county's losses. 2 class A schools, a class A SD school, and 3 region loses to top 10 teams. They won their region tourney, why should they get punished for a hard schedule and playing in a very competitive conference. Like I said it wouldn't change much, but I would have given them at least a 4seed.


Who are you seeding them over in the top 4? I agree with all 8 seeds.

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:57 am
by packers21
The Schwab wrote:
Your daddy wrote:Look at sargent county's losses. 2 class A schools, a class A SD school, and 3 region loses to top 10 teams. They won their region tourney, why should they get punished for a hard schedule and playing in a very competitive conference. Like I said it wouldn't change much, but I would have given them at least a 4seed.


Who are you seeding them over in the top 4? I agree with all 8 seeds.


I believe there's a better case to be made they could be seeded lower than higher

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:12 am
by sportsphenom
So refreshing to see no privates and bedroom communities in the state tournament this year.......oh wait! But in all seriousness, I think these small towns will bring great crowds and excitement to the B, looking forward to it. Should be some great games throughout the tournament.

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:26 am
by chief45
Your daddy wrote:Look at sargent county's losses. 2 class A schools, a class A SD school, and 3 region loses to top 10 teams. They won their region tourney, why should they get punished for a hard schedule and playing in a very competitive conference. Like I said it wouldn't change much, but I would have given them at least a 4seed.


Bishop Ryan is above Sargent County in every Statistical Category. And Ryan has a better Losses Resume than Sargent County. Lost to two statically better A Teams than Sargent did. Regardless like others have said it does not matter. All it affects is Jersey Color

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:30 am
by chief45
Sorenson23 wrote:State Class B Boys Basketball Tournament
@ Minot State University Dome
Thursday March 14th
G1 - (23-1) #2 Bowman County vs #7 Our Redeemer's (18-8)
G2 - (23-2) #3 Westhope-Newburg vs #6 Edgeley-Kulm-Montpelier (22-4)
G3 - (24-1) #1 North Star vs #8 LaMoure-L-M (16-10)
G4 - (23-3) #4 Bishop Ryan vs #5 Sargent County (19-6)

Friday March 15th
G5 -Our Redeemers
G6 - Bishop Ryan
G7 - Westhope-Newburg
G8 - North Star

Saturday March 16th
G9 - 7th - Lamoure-L-M
G10 - 5th - Bishop Ryan
G11 - 3rd - Bowman County
G12 - State B Champions - Westhope - Newburg

My picks

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:51 am
by maddog1971
So 2 Privates in Class B an 2 Privates in the State Class B tournament... and one of those teams lost 7 seniors..... We have a division for Private schools.... so play in that division and save your money from lawsuits and buys some new diapers.

My prayers are with Westhope/Newburg or Sargent County

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:25 am
by d_fense
Your daddy wrote:Not that it would change this bracket much, but region tourney winners should be seeded 1-4. If you had to play a play in game you shouldn't be seeded higher than a region tourney winner.


If you seeded the region champions 1-4, I fail to see the point of seeding... You're just going to disregard teams that have a stronger season because they play in a strong region. Either seed nobody, or everyone.

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:51 am
by d_fense
Your daddy wrote:Look at sargent county's losses. 2 class A schools, a class A SD school, and 3 region loses to top 10 teams. They won their region tourney, why should they get punished for a hard schedule and playing in a very competitive conference. Like I said it wouldn't change much, but I would have given them at least a 4seed.


I'm a fan of Sargent County and hope that they win the tournament. But I think i can make a better case for them being the 6th seed than the 4th. Bishop Ryan lost to the best Class A team in the western part of the state, a one point game on the road to DTrinity, and in the Regional Championship to Westhope-Newburg, who they beat twice previously. Meanwhile Sargent County split with the 6th seeded EKM, being outscored by 12 points over the coarse of the 2 games. Not saying it is a clear case that I would put Sargent Co. in front of EKM, but that would be a closer call then moving them in front of Bishop Ryan. And to place Sargent County in front of North Star, Bowman County, or Westhope-Newburg would be flat out ridiculous.

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:12 pm
by Flip
I like that they seed 1-8 and don't give the region winners the top 4 seeds. If the top 4 seeds were region winners you would have years where the best team in the tournament would be the 5 seed, which would be the reward for the 4 seed that won their region.

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:48 pm
by WalkingStick
STATE QUALIFYING TEAMS and their losses (rankings included at the time of the games)
#1: North Star (24-1)
1/26 @ Hillsboro-Central Valley (A) 74-44

#2: Bowman County (23-1)
2/5 @ #5 Glen Ullin-Hebron (B) 62-58

#3: Westhope-Newburg (23-2)
2/1 @ #4 Bishop Ryan (B) 56-53
2/27 vs. #3 Bishop Ryan (B) 66-64

#4: Bishop Ryan (23-3)
1/9 @ Des Lacs-Burlington (A) 67-47
2/3 @ Dickinson Trinity (A) 44-43
3/7 vs. #4 Westhope-Newburg (B) 73-65

#5: Sargent County (19-6)
12/28 vs. Hillsboro-Central Valley (A) 58-54
1/5 @ Lisbon (A) 65-62 OT
1/6 @ #6 Linton-HMB (B) 53-41
1/23 vs. Tiospa Zina, SD (A) 73-44
2/16 @ #9 Edgeley-Kulm-Montpelier (B) 71-58
2/28 vs. #8 Hankinson (B) 52-43

#6: Edgeley-Kulm-Montpelier (22-4)
12/30 vs. #8 Hankinson (B) 61-56
1/5 vs. Wilton-Wing (B) 75-59
1/6 vs. RV Trinity Christian (B) 71-62
3/5 vs. RV Sargent County (B) 65-64

#7: Our Redeemer's (18-8)
12/12 vs. South Prairie-Max (A) 75-69
12/29 vs. #2 North Star (B) 43-42
1/5 @ #4 Westhope-Newburg (B) 76-49
1/15 @ #5 Bishop Ryan (B) 67-42
1/19 @ Velva (B) 77-76 OT
1/27 vs. RV Des Lacs-Burlington (A) 54-49
2/26 vs. #3 Bishop Ryan (B) 46-45
3/5 vs. #2 Bishop Ryan (B) 58-52

#8: LaMoure-LM (16-10)
12/11 @ #3 Sargent County (B) 45-34
12/18 vs. #4 Central Cass (A) 49-44
12/29 @ #1 Bowman County (B) 55-50
1/16 vs. South Border (B) 46-40
1/18 @ RV Ellendale (B) 61-44
1/23 @ RV Edgeley-Kulm-Montpelier (B) 64-51
2/2 vs. Lisbon (A) 59-53
2/8 @ #8 Linton-HMB (B) 67-60
2/26 vs. #7 Edgeley-Kulm-Montpelier (B) 54-44
3/7 vs. RV Sargent County (B) 55-51

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:59 pm
by Bison-Vikes #1
The Schwab wrote:
Your daddy wrote:Look at sargent county's losses. 2 class A schools, a class A SD school, and 3 region loses to top 10 teams. They won their region tourney, why should they get punished for a hard schedule and playing in a very competitive conference. Like I said it wouldn't change much, but I would have given them at least a 4seed.


Who are you seeding them over in the top 4? I agree with all 8 seeds.


I cede the seeding was done exceedingly well. :D

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:19 pm
by WalkingStick
I see North Star & Bowman as equal and could see them being either the 1 or 2 seeds
I see W-N & Bishop Ryan as equal and could see them being either the 3 or 4 seeds
I see SC & EKM as equal and could have seen them with either the 5 or 6 seeds
I see ORCS as being slightly ahead of L-LM and thought those seeds were accurate.

In the end, the game is played on the court this weekend and seedings don't matter as much other than home/away on the scoreboard and what color unis are worn. Upsets are likely to happen but that's why you play the game.

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:22 pm
by maddog1971
I do find it interesting that the Top Class B teams get beat by the middle or lower Class A teams. That shows to me that is was completely correct to get a 3 Class system.

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:22 pm
by 19coach91
My Predictions

Thursday March 14th
G1 - (23-1) #2 Bowman County vs #7 Our Redeemer's (18-8)
G2 - (23-2) #3 Westhope-Newburg vs #6 Edgeley-Kulm-Montpelier (22-4)
G3 - (24-1) #1 North Star vs #8 LaMoure-L-M (16-10)
G4 - (23-3) #4 Bishop Ryan vs #5 Sargent County (19-6)

Friday March 15th
G5 - EKM
G6 - Sargent Co
G7 - Westhope-Newburg
G8 - Bishop Ryan

Saturday March 16th
G9 - 7th - LaMoure-L-M
G10 - 5th - Sargent Co
G11 - 3rd - Bowman Co
G12 - State B Champions - Westhope-Newburg

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:21 am
by Class B
chief45 wrote:
Your daddy wrote:Look at sargent county's losses. 2 class A schools, a class A SD school, and 3 region loses to top 10 teams. They won their region tourney, why should they get punished for a hard schedule and playing in a very competitive conference. Like I said it wouldn't change much, but I would have given them at least a 4seed.


Bishop Ryan is above Sargent County in every Statistical Category. And Ryan has a better Losses Resume than Sargent County. Lost to two statically better A Teams than Sargent did. Regardless like others have said it does not matter. All it affects is Jersey Color


I know 1, if not both, of BR's "A" losses were without Walz. He was hurt in the DLB game which caused him to miss a stretch during the season. BR looked like nothing more than an average Class B team during that stretch.

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:26 am
by Class B
maddog1971 wrote:So 2 Privates in Class B an 2 Privates in the State Class B tournament... and one of those teams lost 7 seniors..... We have a division for Private schools.... so play in that division and save your money from lawsuits and buys some new diapers.

My prayers are with Westhope/Newburg or Sargent County


If Bishop Ryan makes a run at state in 2026, I will join you. Outside of a couple guards, their roster is wiped out after that talented 2025 class graduates. (which is the case for alot of District 8 ).

Re: 2023-2024 State B Basketball Tournament

PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:59 am
by WalkingStick
Class B wrote:
chief45 wrote:
Your daddy wrote:Look at sargent county's losses. 2 class A schools, a class A SD school, and 3 region loses to top 10 teams. They won their region tourney, why should they get punished for a hard schedule and playing in a very competitive conference. Like I said it wouldn't change much, but I would have given them at least a 4seed.


Bishop Ryan is above Sargent County in every Statistical Category. And Ryan has a better Losses Resume than Sargent County. Lost to two statically better A Teams than Sargent did. Regardless like others have said it does not matter. All it affects is Jersey Color


I know 1, if not both, of BR's "A" losses were without Walz. He was hurt in the DLB game which caused him to miss a stretch during the season. BR looked like nothing more than an average Class B team during that stretch.


I believe I saw the DT game and he played...that game was a rock fight...I was shocked either team got to the 40s.