BasketballMind wrote:Congrats to the guys that were selected did the all state teams.
First Team:
Deng Deng, Jr., Four Winds-Minnewaukan
Bohden Duffield, Jr., Bowman County
Tyson Enget, Sr., Powers Lake/Burke Central (NDAPSSA Mr. Basketball Finalist)
Javin Friesz, Jr., Flasher
Ayden Stainbrook, Sr., North Border (NDAPSSA Mr. Basketball Finalist)
Second Team:
Carson Bartholomay, Sr., Enderlin
Walker Braaten, Soph. Westhope-Newburg
TJ Cosley, Sr., North Border
Bishop Duffield, Jr., Bowman County
Brady Feller, Sr., Bishop Ryan
Trey Hatfield, Sr. Oak Grove
Connor Kerzmann, Sr., Garrison
Landon Koenig, Sr., May-Port-CG
Mitchell Leas, Sr., North Prairie
Carson Yale, Sr., Des Lacs-Burlington
WalkingStick wrote:Usually comes down to statistics and a team like Central Cass or Thompson were very balanced (which may explain why they did so well...any night any player stepped up).
Always snubs when it comes to All-State but it's supposed to be something 'elite' as only 15 are named (sometimes a few extra for ties) from the 1400-1500 varsity Class B Players in the State. I bet you there were some close misses from the 15 and that 16-20 are some solid names...but that's the case every year, IMO.
This is a NDAPSSA vote from 15-20 media organizations from each corner of the State...from a compilation of nominated players from each Region
RiverMiner99 wrote:WalkingStick wrote:Usually comes down to statistics and a team like Central Cass or Thompson were very balanced (which may explain why they did so well...any night any player stepped up).
Always snubs when it comes to All-State but it's supposed to be something 'elite' as only 15 are named (sometimes a few extra for ties) from the 1400-1500 varsity Class B Players in the State. I bet you there were some close misses from the 15 and that 16-20 are some solid names...but that's the case every year, IMO.
This is a NDAPSSA vote from 15-20 media organizations from each corner of the State...from a compilation of nominated players from each Region
You are absolutely right on this. Not sure why there seems to be more talk about it this year. This award and all tournament teams are all about points scored. None of the other stats and non statisical things seem to come into play. That is why they are call individual awards. Most players would prefer the award the CC got!
Flying Wallenda wrote:RiverMiner99 wrote:WalkingStick wrote:Usually comes down to statistics and a team like Central Cass or Thompson were very balanced (which may explain why they did so well...any night any player stepped up).
Always snubs when it comes to All-State but it's supposed to be something 'elite' as only 15 are named (sometimes a few extra for ties) from the 1400-1500 varsity Class B Players in the State. I bet you there were some close misses from the 15 and that 16-20 are some solid names...but that's the case every year, IMO.
This is a NDAPSSA vote from 15-20 media organizations from each corner of the State...from a compilation of nominated players from each Region
You are absolutely right on this. Not sure why there seems to be more talk about it this year. This award and all tournament teams are all about points scored. None of the other stats and non statisical things seem to come into play. That is why they are call individual awards. Most players would prefer the award the CC got!
I haven’t seen any other talk about this?
All state should be the best players, not the best stats. Someone score 26 a night on a 7 win team doesn’t make them one of the 15 best players in the state.
RiverMiner99 wrote:You are absolutely right on this. Not sure why there seems to be more talk about it this year. This award and all tournament teams are all about points scored. None of the other stats and non statisical things seem to come into play. That is why they are call individual awards. Most players would prefer the award the CC got!
RiverMiner99 wrote:Flip, you are right it's not all points. I should have said overly weighted towards points. Also, points scored are very important.
Flying Wallenda wrote:All state should be the best players, not the best stats. Someone score 26 a night on a 7 win team doesn’t make them one of the 15 best players in the state.
Flip wrote:Obviously, not all about the points. Two kids from North Border made it and the kid that was on the 2nd team averaged around 5 more PPG than the guy that was on the first team.
It's a beauty contest. That no player on an undefeated state championship is worthy of the all state team, while a player on a 5-win team (with no wins over a team with a winning record) is worthy speaks volumes. The player on the losing team(s) obviously didn't play any defense and must be accorded that deficiency when evaluating his body of work.maddog1971 wrote:I completely agree good players can not make their teams win the big games and get to state. GREAT players that are more worried about their team and a win. All State Team is about Stats..... If you are saying a couple CC kids decided they wanted to average 25 points a game could not have done that... they could have... they play for the right reason. All State is about how many points get scored. To many awards are based around how many points you score. A kid how can put up 8 points, grab 16 rebounds, 6 assists, 5 steals and plays shutdown defense does not get on this team.... But that kid is going to lead his team to victory more times than not. Great players make average players better... Those are the kids that get my vote.
We had this talk about a player from Region 1 taking over 20 plus shots a game and even in the 30's.... Did his team win... nope.... but he got his stats.
leroybla wrote:It's a beauty contest. That no player on an undefeated state championship is worthy of the all state team, while a player on a 5-win team (with no wins over a team with a winning record) is worthy speaks volumes. The player on the losing team(s) obviously didn't play any defense and must be accorded that deficiency when evaluating his body of work.maddog1971 wrote:I completely agree good players can not make their teams win the big games and get to state. GREAT players that are more worried about their team and a win. All State Team is about Stats..... If you are saying a couple CC kids decided they wanted to average 25 points a game could not have done that... they could have... they play for the right reason. All State is about how many points get scored. To many awards are based around how many points you score. A kid how can put up 8 points, grab 16 rebounds, 6 assists, 5 steals and plays shutdown defense does not get on this team.... But that kid is going to lead his team to victory more times than not. Great players make average players better... Those are the kids that get my vote.
We had this talk about a player from Region 1 taking over 20 plus shots a game and even in the 30's.... Did his team win... nope.... but he got his stats.
Bison-Vikes #1 wrote:A lot of fair points being brought up. Honestly believe it should go back to 10 total players. 5 first team, 5 second team. Think it would make the process easier all around and make the award even more "prestigious". 2 cents.
Bison-Vikes #1 wrote:Not every team has the luxury of having 3, 4 or 5 players who can carry the scoring load and be equally effective on the defensive end. Many teams only have 1 or 2 scoring threats and those kids are usually getting double teamed. It's not an easy task picking the all-state team and we are never going to unanimously agree on all selections. Looking at this year's team, I think there could have been some misses, but it would be difficult to take 1 off to add another. Congrats to the winners, it's a great honor.
packers21 wrote:Bison-Vikes #1 wrote:Not every team has the luxury of having 3, 4 or 5 players who can carry the scoring load and be equally effective on the defensive end. Many teams only have 1 or 2 scoring threats and those kids are usually getting double teamed. It's not an easy task picking the all-state team and we are never going to unanimously agree on all selections. Looking at this year's team, I think there could have been some misses, but it would be difficult to take 1 off to add another. Congrats to the winners, it's a great honor.
Agreed, CC just like Kindred two year ago had 3 kids off the bench that would have started for 50% of the other teams at the state tournament and 99% of the other teams in the state. You got the biggest prize of them all, don't understand all the backlash.
maddog1971 wrote:Well plain and simple right or wrong... It is how many points you put up. Same thing in college and the pro's. Teams that win at the high school in North Dakota can not be successful with one player putting up 25 shots and game.... leaking out all the time to try and get a dunk... Winning teams have kids getting dirty on defense and unselfish on the offensive end.... Some night they will put up 30 and some nights they can put up 6 as long as the team wins.
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