leroybla wrote:Question for Region 4 fans: How would FWM compete against each of the top 4 teams that played on championship nite?
leroybla wrote:Question for Region 4 fans: How would FWM compete against each of the top 4 teams that played on championship nite?
WalkingStick wrote:RiverMiner99 wrote:Who will all the the non CC & Bismarck fans be cheering for tonight? A class B school with an enrollment over 300 or the Region 5 private school that has been at the state tournament 11 of the last 13 years?
These 2 schools are the poster children for why there will be 3 classes.
Central Cass may be large but they haven’t been successful at state since 1968…rarely at State recently (9 times is deceiving since most happened well before the 2000s)
Shiloh has been there the most since 2000 and 10 of last 12 tournaments (including Covid year)
maddog1971 wrote:WalkingStick wrote:RiverMiner99 wrote:Who will all the the non CC & Bismarck fans be cheering for tonight? A class B school with an enrollment over 300 or the Region 5 private school that has been at the state tournament 11 of the last 13 years?
These 2 schools are the poster children for why there will be 3 classes.
Central Cass may be large but they haven’t been successful at state since 1968…rarely at State recently (9 times is deceiving since most happened well before the 2000s)
Shiloh has been there the most since 2000 and 10 of last 12 tournaments (including Covid year)
That is the reason that the 3rd class was needed. I don't think it has anything to do with CC but everything to do with Shiloh. The problem was not the Big B's.... it is the private schools and the new class A will have the same problem when St. Mary's decides that they want to win some state titles and they drop down to A. You can not complain about CC since they have been there one time in 23 years.
ndlionsfan wrote:maddog1971 wrote:WalkingStick wrote:RiverMiner99 wrote:Who will all the the non CC & Bismarck fans be cheering for tonight? A class B school with an enrollment over 300 or the Region 5 private school that has been at the state tournament 11 of the last 13 years?
These 2 schools are the poster children for why there will be 3 classes.
Central Cass may be large but they haven’t been successful at state since 1968…rarely at State recently (9 times is deceiving since most happened well before the 2000s)
Shiloh has been there the most since 2000 and 10 of last 12 tournaments (including Covid year)
That is the reason that the 3rd class was needed. I don't think it has anything to do with CC but everything to do with Shiloh. The problem was not the Big B's.... it is the private schools and the new class A will have the same problem when St. Mary's decides that they want to win some state titles and they drop down to A. You can not complain about CC since they have been there one time in 23 years.
Yes, in some part. I think Shiloh's dominance in Region 5 shows a clear need for 3 class system. But also if you look at Region 1 and Region 2, how many small schools have actually had an opportunity for a state berth in the last decade? North Border had their best chance in a generation and couldn't make a championship game. Enderlin had a generational team and couldn't make it out of their region for 3 years.
ndlionsfan wrote:maddog1971 wrote:WalkingStick wrote:RiverMiner99 wrote:Who will all the the non CC & Bismarck fans be cheering for tonight? A class B school with an enrollment over 300 or the Region 5 private school that has been at the state tournament 11 of the last 13 years?
These 2 schools are the poster children for why there will be 3 classes.
Central Cass may be large but they haven’t been successful at state since 1968…rarely at State recently (9 times is deceiving since most happened well before the 2000s)
Shiloh has been there the most since 2000 and 10 of last 12 tournaments (including Covid year)
That is the reason that the 3rd class was needed. I don't think it has anything to do with CC but everything to do with Shiloh. The problem was not the Big B's.... it is the private schools and the new class A will have the same problem when St. Mary's decides that they want to win some state titles and they drop down to A. You can not complain about CC since they have been there one time in 23 years.
Yes, in some part. I think Shiloh's dominance in Region 5 shows a clear need for 3 class system. But also if you look at Region 1 and Region 2, how many small schools have actually had an opportunity for a state berth in the last decade? North Border had their best chance in a generation and couldn't make a championship game. Enderlin had a generational team and couldn't make it out of their region for 3 years.
defensewinsgames wrote:I disagree with the North Border regular season take. Here is my view on it. NB is able to beat those top teams (Grafton, HCV, Thompson) when they have 3 days to rest and prepare and have to win one single game. When they get to a regional tournament where they go 3 games in 4 days and beat 3 of the top dogs in a row they can't get over the hump because the depth of those schools wins out. HCV has finished top 3 in the regional tournament the last two years without a shooter or if we are being honest a real ball-handling guard because their depth wins out over these other teams. They put a team of athletic football players (all posts over 6 foot) on the floor then play good defense and no small school can compete. Then they go play the top teams in the state and lose because they can't shoot from outside or score consistently. Cavalier just about beat them, Park River played them to less than 10 in the 1st half, Northern Cass was close. Be honest with yourself and tell me that HCV the last two years should be competing for region championships over NB or Mayville based on starting 5. The honest answer is no they absolutely should not but they do because 6 through 15 would all start on those teams. Regardless of what people try to tell you, numbers matter especially in a 3 day tournament.
This regional tournament is a great representation of why we need 3 classes. 3 teams that stay down made it and they took 8th, 7th, and 6th place. Powers Lake got murdered by Shiloh, Warwick competed with Central Cass until again depth won out then lost two in a row (likely because they were tired but foul trouble the 2nd night was huge for them because of no depth), and Medina only beat Warwick. We got a championship of the biggest class b school and the dominate private program. The small programs failed to compete for the most part. The change will be welcome and is needed.
defensewinsgames wrote:I disagree with the North Border regular season take. Here is my view on it. NB is able to beat those top teams (Grafton, HCV, Thompson) when they have 3 days to rest and prepare and have to win one single game. When they get to a regional tournament where they go 3 games in 4 days and beat 3 of the top dogs in a row they can't get over the hump because the depth of those schools wins out. HCV has finished top 3 in the regional tournament the last two years without a shooter or if we are being honest a real ball-handling guard because their depth wins out over these other teams. They put a team of athletic football players (all posts over 6 foot) on the floor then play good defense and no small school can compete. Then they go play the top teams in the state and lose because they can't shoot from outside or score consistently. Cavalier just about beat them, Park River played them to less than 10 in the 1st half, Northern Cass was close. Be honest with yourself and tell me that HCV the last two years should be competing for region championships over NB or Mayville based on starting 5. The honest answer is no they absolutely should not but they do because 6 through 15 would all start on those teams. Regardless of what people try to tell you, numbers matter especially in a 3 day tournament.
This regional tournament is a great representation of why we need 3 classes. 3 teams that stay down made it and they took 8th, 7th, and 6th place. Powers Lake got murdered by Shiloh, Warwick competed with Central Cass until again depth won out then lost two in a row (likely because they were tired but foul trouble the 2nd night was huge for them because of no depth), and Medina only beat Warwick. We got a championship of the biggest class b school and the dominate private program. The small programs failed to compete for the most part. The change will be welcome and is needed.
Thundersnow wrote:Because I was there in person, I didn't watch a second of it on TV. How was WDAY's coverage?
scc wrote:Flying Wallenda wrote:defensewinsgames wrote:I disagree with the North Border regular season take. Here is my view on it. NB is able to beat those top teams (Grafton, HCV, Thompson) when they have 3 days to rest and prepare and have to win one single game. When they get to a regional tournament where they go 3 games in 4 days and beat 3 of the top dogs in a row they can't get over the hump because the depth of those schools wins out. HCV has finished top 3 in the regional tournament the last two years without a shooter or if we are being honest a real ball-handling guard because their depth wins out over these other teams. They put a team of athletic football players (all posts over 6 foot) on the floor then play good defense and no small school can compete. Then they go play the top teams in the state and lose because they can't shoot from outside or score consistently. Cavalier just about beat them, Park River played them to less than 10 in the 1st half, Northern Cass was close. Be honest with yourself and tell me that HCV the last two years should be competing for region championships over NB or Mayville based on starting 5. The honest answer is no they absolutely should not but they do because 6 through 15 would all start on those teams. Regardless of what people try to tell you, numbers matter especially in a 3 day tournament.
This regional tournament is a great representation of why we need 3 classes. 3 teams that stay down made it and they took 8th, 7th, and 6th place. Powers Lake got murdered by Shiloh, Warwick competed with Central Cass until again depth won out then lost two in a row (likely because they were tired but foul trouble the 2nd night was huge for them because of no depth), and Medina only beat Warwick. We got a championship of the biggest class b school and the dominate private program. The small programs failed to compete for the most part. The change will be welcome and is needed.
I'd take HCV's starting 5 over MPCGFS this year every day of the week, I'd guess that's why they went 3-0 against them. Coin flip with NB.........I'd also argue that Limke last year and Brandt this year were 2 of the best basketball players in the region, not the best FB players. As for losing to top teams in the state, I'd say beating Kindred/Grafton twice/MPCG 3 times/Thompson 1/Ada once - they did ok.
2-0, they played twice (both games pretty competitive)
I would have liked more information on fouls. Who fouled and how many they had during the course of the game.Thundersnow wrote:I was able to be in attendance at this year's state tournament, and thought it was good. Here are my main takeaways:
Central Cass and Shiloh were the two best teams, and Central Cass deserved to win the way they played on Saturday night. Amazing accomplishment for them to finish undefeated and to win the boys and girls State Titles in the same season.
We have a lot of good talent and coaching in this state. Even the teams who finished 6-8 had some impressive individuals. Fassett from Warwick, Moser from Medina and Enget from Powers Lake were worth the price of admission alone.
The top 5 programs will fit in perfectly in the new middle class.
The attendance was good, especially considering the weather on Friday.
Because I was there in person, I didn't watch a second of it on TV. How was WDAY's coverage?
scc wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:Thundersnow wrote:Because I was there in person, I didn't watch a second of it on TV. How was WDAY's coverage?
I watched it all on TV and thought the coverage was so so. Better than some other years, but could have been improved. It would be nice if announcers and reporters could at least pronounce the towns or names of people correctly. And like most years they get stuck on a story line of one team and don't give any other teams any publicity. But that's how it goes.
Curious to what it might look like for TV coverage next year. Does WDAY control it all still? How will they televise two tournaments in separate cities? Do they open up one of the other tournaments for a KVLY and BEK to bid on?
I believe WDAY gets one more year due to COVID. Between their main channel, subchannels, and stream, they will figure it out. My prediction is BEK gets the next contract, and they will do well.
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