bk1990 wrote:I hope this isn't made out to be a financial issue, that was never my intent. When I referenced private schools and opportunities,, I was referring to the fact that since they are typically in larger cities in the state, the opportunities were more geared towards resources such as YMCA's, city leagues, readily available competition to play against, where as smaller towns typically don't have those types of resources or facilities. From what I saw on the travel and AAU circuit, it typically was not a financial issue, the clubs would do there best to help anyone who wanted to play and would help people find a way to make it work.
Nala1 wrote:Don't forget that Kindred gets Riley Sunram back as well. He will make a big difference.
maddog1971 wrote:Nala1 wrote:Don't forget that Kindred gets Riley Sunram back as well. He will make a big difference.
Well according to some people on this site... that did not or will not make a difference in Kindreds chances. Because nobody wants a 6'5 280lb athlete that has a great looking shot....
RiverMiner99 wrote:maddog1971 wrote:Nala1 wrote:Don't forget that Kindred gets Riley Sunram back as well. He will make a big difference.
Well according to some people on this site... that did not or will not make a difference in Kindreds chances. Because nobody wants a 6'5 280lb athlete that has a great looking shot....
After missing a season and having the college football opportunities he has, will he even play basketball next season?
olufsen2022 wrote:bk1990 wrote:I hope this isn't made out to be a financial issue, that was never my intent. When I referenced private schools and opportunities,, I was referring to the fact that since they are typically in larger cities in the state, the opportunities were more geared towards resources such as YMCA's, city leagues, readily available competition to play against, where as smaller towns typically don't have those types of resources or facilities. From what I saw on the travel and AAU circuit, it typically was not a financial issue, the clubs would do there best to help anyone who wanted to play and would help people find a way to make it work.
I agree with a lot of what you said in your previous post. The part I don't always agree with is how much of a benefit you think AAU and city leagues are. I won't say they are a waste of time at all, and there can be value in both for sure. But getting in the gym and getting shots up....not just wandering around being lazy shooting....doing actual shooting drills and working at it is a huge deal. Also finding a weight room is very important. Both of those things can be accomplished in whatever town you live in, big or small, and are much more important then playing AAU or pick up games at the YMCA. Both can also be accomplished no matter what a families financial situations are.
bk1990 wrote:olufsen2022 wrote:bk1990 wrote:I hope this isn't made out to be a financial issue, that was never my intent. When I referenced private schools and opportunities,, I was referring to the fact that since they are typically in larger cities in the state, the opportunities were more geared towards resources such as YMCA's, city leagues, readily available competition to play against, where as smaller towns typically don't have those types of resources or facilities. From what I saw on the travel and AAU circuit, it typically was not a financial issue, the clubs would do there best to help anyone who wanted to play and would help people find a way to make it work.
I agree with a lot of what you said in your previous post. The part I don't always agree with is how much of a benefit you think AAU and city leagues are. I won't say they are a waste of time at all, and there can be value in both for sure. But getting in the gym and getting shots up....not just wandering around being lazy shooting....doing actual shooting drills and working at it is a huge deal. Also finding a weight room is very important. Both of those things can be accomplished in whatever town you live in, big or small, and are much more important then playing AAU or pick up games at the YMCA. Both can also be accomplished no matter what a families financial situations are.
Not to belabor the point, I don't think AAU and leagues are the end all to a better player also, however you can't underestimate their value. If you have a kid who plays in 8th and 9th grade, and plays an AAU season after each year, in my view they just played two additional seasons, they can usually get 25-30 games in over the summer against quality level competition. I feel this translates to two additional season, basically they played their junior and senior years. So that true 10th grader I feel should be playing at senior level experience as it translates to court time. I agree, AAU and pick up games can develop bad habits, but their still isn't any substitution for experience. I'm sure the high school coaches don't like having to get rid of any bad habits the player developed, but I'm pretty sure they will take the trade off of having a kid who was playing in the offseason.
Don't take it the wrong way, I have a hard time watching AAU games sometimes due to selfish play and lack of teamwork sometimes, but if a kid is able to get on a team with a coach who believes it is to develop players, not just put a team together, it can be very benificial.
maddog1971 wrote:I can not disagree more on this subject of AAU. Kids can not get in the weight room and just throwing up 500 shots a day. Going on youtube and finding drills to help their skill set will not make them better. They need live within 50 miles of Fargo is the only way kids get better. They have to get training in Fargo to be any good. That is why we need this 3rd Class....
maddog1971 wrote:I can not disagree more on this subject of AAU. Kids can not get in the weight room and just throwing up 500 shots a day. Going on youtube and finding drills to help their skill set will not make them better. They need live within 50 miles of Fargo is the only way kids get better. They have to get training in Fargo to be any good. That is why we need this 3rd Class....
bk1990 wrote:maddog1971 wrote:I can not disagree more on this subject of AAU. Kids can not get in the weight room and just throwing up 500 shots a day. Going on youtube and finding drills to help their skill set will not make them better. They need live within 50 miles of Fargo is the only way kids get better. They have to get training in Fargo to be any good. That is why we need this 3rd Class....
I sincerely hope you are saying this with sarcasm. If that is how you truly feel, how do you explain the two brothers from Bowman County who made All State, the kid from Flasher, first team All State, I could go on with the good players that are not "50 miles from Fargo". The disdain and intense dislike you have for anyone near a larger town, i.e. Bedroom communities and privates astound me.
maddog1971 wrote:I can not disagree more on this subject of AAU. Kids can not get in the weight room and just throwing up 500 shots a day. Going on youtube and finding drills to help their skill set will not make them better. They need live within 50 miles of Fargo is the only way kids get better. They have to get training in Fargo to be any good. That is why we need this 3rd Class....
Thundersnow wrote:I had heard that there was going to be a meeting in April to make some of the decisions about finalizing the details of the new 3-class system. Shot clock, halves vs. quarters, realignment of which teams are in which region, etc. Does anyone know if this meeting has taken place and if so, what decisions were made?
WalkingStick wrote:Thundersnow wrote:I had heard that there was going to be a meeting in April to make some of the decisions about finalizing the details of the new 3-class system. Shot clock, halves vs. quarters, realignment of which teams are in which region, etc. Does anyone know if this meeting has taken place and if so, what decisions were made?
It was supposed to be 2 weeks ago but we had a storm. I believe the meeting is today.
RiverMiner99 wrote:WalkingStick wrote:Thundersnow wrote:I had heard that there was going to be a meeting in April to make some of the decisions about finalizing the details of the new 3-class system. Shot clock, halves vs. quarters, realignment of which teams are in which region, etc. Does anyone know if this meeting has taken place and if so, what decisions were made?
It was supposed to be 2 weeks ago but we had a storm. I believe the meeting is today.
1st order of business should be to make sure the middle class state tournament is in the SHAC and NOT Fargodome!
Play halves with the 30 second shot clock. More minutes means there will be a better chance of more kids playing and that was one of the reasons for creating a 3rd class.
Last thing would be to not have the cross over play in games be against the same region every year. Find another way. Rotate or based on ranking. Anything other than always the same.
packers21 wrote:RiverMiner99 wrote:WalkingStick wrote:Thundersnow wrote:I had heard that there was going to be a meeting in April to make some of the decisions about finalizing the details of the new 3-class system. Shot clock, halves vs. quarters, realignment of which teams are in which region, etc. Does anyone know if this meeting has taken place and if so, what decisions were made?
It was supposed to be 2 weeks ago but we had a storm. I believe the meeting is today.
1st order of business should be to make sure the middle class state tournament is in the SHAC and NOT Fargodome!
Play halves with the 30 second shot clock. More minutes means there will be a better chance of more kids playing and that was one of the reasons for creating a 3rd class.
Last thing would be to not have the cross over play in games be against the same region every year. Find another way. Rotate or based on ranking. Anything other than always the same.
The NDHSAA Board of Directors approved an Executive
Board recommendation for Division A boys and girls
basketball to mirror Division B boys and girls regulations
in 2023-24. This includes eight-minute quarters, a 35
second shot clock, and a 30-point mercy rule in the 4th
quarter.
packers21 wrote:RiverMiner99 wrote:WalkingStick wrote:Thundersnow wrote:I had heard that there was going to be a meeting in April to make some of the decisions about finalizing the details of the new 3-class system. Shot clock, halves vs. quarters, realignment of which teams are in which region, etc. Does anyone know if this meeting has taken place and if so, what decisions were made?
It was supposed to be 2 weeks ago but we had a storm. I believe the meeting is today.
1st order of business should be to make sure the middle class state tournament is in the SHAC and NOT Fargodome!
Play halves with the 30 second shot clock. More minutes means there will be a better chance of more kids playing and that was one of the reasons for creating a 3rd class.
Last thing would be to not have the cross over play in games be against the same region every year. Find another way. Rotate or based on ranking. Anything other than always the same.
The NDHSAA Board of Directors approved an Executive
Board recommendation for Division A boys and girls
basketball to mirror Division B boys and girls regulations
in 2023-24. This includes eight-minute quarters, a 35
second shot clock, and a 30-point mercy rule in the 4th
quarter.
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