balla45 wrote:hoophoophoop wrote:balla45 wrote:ND Basketball Fan wrote:lennylive wrote:Congrats to Joe Hurlburt on becoming the ND All-time rebounding leader passing the record set in 1972 by Dean Streyle- 1339 rebounds. Great win for the Eagles last night also.
If they don't make it through to the State Tourney this year, one will only need to look at the coach as the reason.
I would say people need to look at what the coach is doing as well. He was able to keep 2 power conference recruits on a high school basketball team in Enderlin, North Dakota, when those type of players are commonly leaving their hometown after their sophomore or junior season. Good job Coach Kraft in creating a challenging schedule and environment where top level players still feel they can grow without needing to transfer to a bigger market.
Are you their agent or trying to be, my god stop putting them on a pedestal, they are good ball players in North Dakota, congrats to Joe though for the record!!! The Dixon kid signed with Lake region, no one brings that up, potentially 4 kids could play college ball, ya so its the coaches fault!!!!!! Its called learning to play with your team mates and stop worrying about college, these are the years they are going to remember not college, win or lose!!!!!!!!!!!
I am not their agent, nor am I trying to be. I do take issue with people taking shots, however subtle, at a coach who has won almost every game his team has played in North Dakota.
I do not think I put anyone on a pedestal in my post. I made an observation that Coach Kraft was able to keep 2 power conference recruits on a high school team in Enderlin, North Dakota. I think it is impressive that he was able to do that.
Why is it the fault of the coach if his team loses a game, but not the fault of the coach is his team wins a game? I do not understand this at all. My interpretation of the comment that I quoted is that if the team wins, it is because the players are good, but if the team loses, it is because the coach is not doing a good job. That seems a bit unfair to me.
I do not understand the comment about worrying about college.
Alijah Dixson signed 2 days ago. It is not shocking that was not mentioned on this forum. Gus Hurlburt made his college announcement 6 days ago. I did not notice that was mentioned on this forum, but it could have been.
GOPACKGO!!! wrote:balla45 wrote:hoophoophoop wrote:balla45 wrote:ND Basketball Fan wrote:lennylive wrote:Congrats to Joe Hurlburt on becoming the ND All-time rebounding leader passing the record set in 1972 by Dean Streyle- 1339 rebounds. Great win for the Eagles last night also.
If they don't make it through to the State Tourney this year, one will only need to look at the coach as the reason.
I would say people need to look at what the coach is doing as well. He was able to keep 2 power conference recruits on a high school basketball team in Enderlin, North Dakota, when those type of players are commonly leaving their hometown after their sophomore or junior season. Good job Coach Kraft in creating a challenging schedule and environment where top level players still feel they can grow without needing to transfer to a bigger market.
Are you their agent or trying to be, my god stop putting them on a pedestal, they are good ball players in North Dakota, congrats to Joe though for the record!!! The Dixon kid signed with Lake region, no one brings that up, potentially 4 kids could play college ball, ya so its the coaches fault!!!!!! Its called learning to play with your team mates and stop worrying about college, these are the years they are going to remember not college, win or lose!!!!!!!!!!!
I am not their agent, nor am I trying to be. I do take issue with people taking shots, however subtle, at a coach who has won almost every game his team has played in North Dakota.
I do not think I put anyone on a pedestal in my post. I made an observation that Coach Kraft was able to keep 2 power conference recruits on a high school team in Enderlin, North Dakota. I think it is impressive that he was able to do that.
Why is it the fault of the coach if his team loses a game, but not the fault of the coach is his team wins a game? I do not understand this at all. My interpretation of the comment that I quoted is that if the team wins, it is because the players are good, but if the team loses, it is because the coach is not doing a good job. That seems a bit unfair to me.
I do not understand the comment about worrying about college.
Alijah Dixson signed 2 days ago. It is not shocking that was not mentioned on this forum. Gus Hurlburt made his college announcement 6 days ago. I did not notice that was mentioned on this forum, but it could have been.
I also think it falls on the Coach. If you have 4 kids moving on to play at the next level, there is no reason you can't make even one State B appearance. I know things happen and your not going to win every game, but in three years you should get to the big show at least one time with all that talent.
GOPACKGO!!! wrote:balla45 wrote:hoophoophoop wrote:balla45 wrote:ND Basketball Fan wrote:lennylive wrote:Congrats to Joe Hurlburt on becoming the ND All-time rebounding leader passing the record set in 1972 by Dean Streyle- 1339 rebounds. Great win for the Eagles last night also.
If they don't make it through to the State Tourney this year, one will only need to look at the coach as the reason.
I would say people need to look at what the coach is doing as well. He was able to keep 2 power conference recruits on a high school basketball team in Enderlin, North Dakota, when those type of players are commonly leaving their hometown after their sophomore or junior season. Good job Coach Kraft in creating a challenging schedule and environment where top level players still feel they can grow without needing to transfer to a bigger market.
Are you their agent or trying to be, my god stop putting them on a pedestal, they are good ball players in North Dakota, congrats to Joe though for the record!!! The Dixon kid signed with Lake region, no one brings that up, potentially 4 kids could play college ball, ya so its the coaches fault!!!!!! Its called learning to play with your team mates and stop worrying about college, these are the years they are going to remember not college, win or lose!!!!!!!!!!!
I am not their agent, nor am I trying to be. I do take issue with people taking shots, however subtle, at a coach who has won almost every game his team has played in North Dakota.
I do not think I put anyone on a pedestal in my post. I made an observation that Coach Kraft was able to keep 2 power conference recruits on a high school team in Enderlin, North Dakota. I think it is impressive that he was able to do that.
Why is it the fault of the coach if his team loses a game, but not the fault of the coach is his team wins a game? I do not understand this at all. My interpretation of the comment that I quoted is that if the team wins, it is because the players are good, but if the team loses, it is because the coach is not doing a good job. That seems a bit unfair to me.
I do not understand the comment about worrying about college.
Alijah Dixson signed 2 days ago. It is not shocking that was not mentioned on this forum. Gus Hurlburt made his college announcement 6 days ago. I did not notice that was mentioned on this forum, but it could have been.
I also think it falls on the Coach. If you have 4 kids moving on to play at the next level, there is no reason you can't make even one State B appearance. I know things happen and your not going to win every game, but in three years you should get to the big show at least one time with all that talent.
balla45 wrote:GOPACKGO!!! wrote:balla45 wrote:hoophoophoop wrote:balla45 wrote:ND Basketball Fan wrote:lennylive wrote:Congrats to Joe Hurlburt on becoming the ND All-time rebounding leader passing the record set in 1972 by Dean Streyle- 1339 rebounds. Great win for the Eagles last night also.
If they don't make it through to the State Tourney this year, one will only need to look at the coach as the reason.
I would say people need to look at what the coach is doing as well. He was able to keep 2 power conference recruits on a high school basketball team in Enderlin, North Dakota, when those type of players are commonly leaving their hometown after their sophomore or junior season. Good job Coach Kraft in creating a challenging schedule and environment where top level players still feel they can grow without needing to transfer to a bigger market.
Are you their agent or trying to be, my god stop putting them on a pedestal, they are good ball players in North Dakota, congrats to Joe though for the record!!! The Dixon kid signed with Lake region, no one brings that up, potentially 4 kids could play college ball, ya so its the coaches fault!!!!!! Its called learning to play with your team mates and stop worrying about college, these are the years they are going to remember not college, win or lose!!!!!!!!!!!
I am not their agent, nor am I trying to be. I do take issue with people taking shots, however subtle, at a coach who has won almost every game his team has played in North Dakota.
I do not think I put anyone on a pedestal in my post. I made an observation that Coach Kraft was able to keep 2 power conference recruits on a high school team in Enderlin, North Dakota. I think it is impressive that he was able to do that.
Why is it the fault of the coach if his team loses a game, but not the fault of the coach is his team wins a game? I do not understand this at all. My interpretation of the comment that I quoted is that if the team wins, it is because the players are good, but if the team loses, it is because the coach is not doing a good job. That seems a bit unfair to me.
I do not understand the comment about worrying about college.
Alijah Dixson signed 2 days ago. It is not shocking that was not mentioned on this forum. Gus Hurlburt made his college announcement 6 days ago. I did not notice that was mentioned on this forum, but it could have been.
I also think it falls on the Coach. If you have 4 kids moving on to play at the next level, there is no reason you can't make even one State B appearance. I know things happen and your not going to win every game, but in three years you should get to the big show at least one time with all that talent.
Same question to you. Does Coach Kraft get the credit if they win a state title or only get the blame if they lose?
chief45 wrote:In any region other than region 1 I would agree with your statement. Kindred has had plenty of talent the past couple years, & this year as well that went on to play at the next level in Football or Basketball.
The problem with Enderlin isn't that they haven't gone to state, the problem is early exits in the postseason. Had Enderlin lost to Kindred last year or Richland the year before then people on this board probably wouldn't talk down on Enderlin so much. The problem is that they lost to Oak Grove last year & Tri-State the year before. Enderlin should have easily won both of those games, but credit to the opponents for knocking them off.
If the Region 1 Tournament started today I would actually pick Enderlin to win with how Kindred has been playing lately, BUT since the Region tournaments don't start for another 3-4 weeks I expect Kindred to get back on track and Repeat as Region 1 Champs.
He would have to get some credit, however, he truly doesn't coach that team, the Hurlburt's do - I have seen Joe go up to his coach when leading by 20 or 30 points with 2:30 left on the clock and say, "Ok, I can come out now" - True! Don't know the answer to this but throwing it out there, when was the last time a Class B school was ranked in the top 10 with a kid who was 6 8" or taller and not make the State B at least once. Enderlin has 6 11", 6 9" and 6 6" and has yet to make a Region 1 Final. Kraft's inability to utilize his bench to give his players some sort of breather continues to haunt this team and will be their downfall again this year. He plays 6 kids only and that's it! My prediction is that he will step down after next years team as next year they will be 500 at best. After next year, they will be bottom dwellers for a few years, lucky to win 1 or t Region games. Kraft does nothing to build a strong youth program. Look at his JV, and Junior High programs - Horrendous. Enderlin should win Region 1 this year based on having 2 Power 5 kids that are both over 6 9" - That should be enough right there to win even if you play 6 kids. They won't however and it will be the coach who let's his two Stars run the show. I would like to add that they are truly Stars and congratulate them for all of their High School accomplishments - Wish them the best of luck in their collegiate careers as well. From what I hear, they are tremendous students as well and regardless of their collegiate careers will end up being successful in life because they can do more than just play basketball.balla45 wrote:GOPACKGO!!! wrote:balla45 wrote:hoophoophoop wrote:balla45 wrote:ND Basketball Fan wrote:lennylive wrote:Congrats to Joe Hurlburt on becoming the ND All-time rebounding leader passing the record set in 1972 by Dean Streyle- 1339 rebounds. Great win for the Eagles last night also.
If they don't make it through to the State Tourney this year, one will only need to look at the coach as the reason.
I would say people need to look at what the coach is doing as well. He was able to keep 2 power conference recruits on a high school basketball team in Enderlin, North Dakota, when those type of players are commonly leaving their hometown after their sophomore or junior season. Good job Coach Kraft in creating a challenging schedule and environment where top level players still feel they can grow without needing to transfer to a bigger market.
Are you their agent or trying to be, my god stop putting them on a pedestal, they are good ball players in North Dakota, congrats to Joe though for the record!!! The Dixon kid signed with Lake region, no one brings that up, potentially 4 kids could play college ball, ya so its the coaches fault!!!!!! Its called learning to play with your team mates and stop worrying about college, these are the years they are going to remember not college, win or lose!!!!!!!!!!!
I am not their agent, nor am I trying to be. I do take issue with people taking shots, however subtle, at a coach who has won almost every game his team has played in North Dakota.
I do not think I put anyone on a pedestal in my post. I made an observation that Coach Kraft was able to keep 2 power conference recruits on a high school team in Enderlin, North Dakota. I think it is impressive that he was able to do that.
Why is it the fault of the coach if his team loses a game, but not the fault of the coach is his team wins a game? I do not understand this at all. My interpretation of the comment that I quoted is that if the team wins, it is because the players are good, but if the team loses, it is because the coach is not doing a good job. That seems a bit unfair to me.
I do not understand the comment about worrying about college.
Alijah Dixson signed 2 days ago. It is not shocking that was not mentioned on this forum. Gus Hurlburt made his college announcement 6 days ago. I did not notice that was mentioned on this forum, but it could have been.
I also think it falls on the Coach. If you have 4 kids moving on to play at the next level, there is no reason you can't make even one State B appearance. I know things happen and your not going to win every game, but in three years you should get to the big show at least one time with all that talent.
Same question to you. Does Coach Kraft get the credit if they win a state title or only get the blame if they lose?
GOPACKGO!!! wrote:Maybe we shouldn't blame the Coach and blame the people that work with these kids in the off season? Maybe that's where they're becoming individuals on the court?
ND Basketball Fan wrote:He would have to get some credit, however, he truly doesn't coach that team, the Hurlburt's do - I have seen Joe go up to his coach when leading by 20 or 30 points with 2:30 left on the clock and say, "Ok, I can come out now" - True! Don't know the answer to this but throwing it out there, when was the last time a Class B school was ranked in the top 10 with a kid who was 6 8" or taller and not make the State B at least once. Enderlin has 6 11", 6 9" and 6 6" and has yet to make a Region 1 Final. Kraft's inability to utilize his bench to give his players some sort of breather continues to haunt this team and will be their downfall again this year. He plays 6 kids only and that's it! My prediction is that he will step down after next years team as next year they will be 500 at best. After next year, they will be bottom dwellers for a few years, lucky to win 1 or t Region games. Kraft does nothing to build a strong youth program. Look at his JV, and Junior High programs - Horrendous. Enderlin should win Region 1 this year based on having 2 Power 5 kids that are both over 6 9" - That should be enough right there to win even if you play 6 kids. They won't however and it will be the coach who let's his two Stars run the show. I would like to add that they are truly Stars and congratulate them for all of their High School accomplishments - Wish them the best of luck in their collegiate careers as well. From what I hear, they are tremendous students as well and regardless of their collegiate careers will end up being successful in life because they can do more than just play basketball.balla45 wrote:GOPACKGO!!! wrote:balla45 wrote:hoophoophoop wrote:balla45 wrote:ND Basketball Fan wrote:lennylive wrote:Congrats to Joe Hurlburt on becoming the ND All-time rebounding leader passing the record set in 1972 by Dean Streyle- 1339 rebounds. Great win for the Eagles last night also.
If they don't make it through to the State Tourney this year, one will only need to look at the coach as the reason.
I would say people need to look at what the coach is doing as well. He was able to keep 2 power conference recruits on a high school basketball team in Enderlin, North Dakota, when those type of players are commonly leaving their hometown after their sophomore or junior season. Good job Coach Kraft in creating a challenging schedule and environment where top level players still feel they can grow without needing to transfer to a bigger market.
Are you their agent or trying to be, my god stop putting them on a pedestal, they are good ball players in North Dakota, congrats to Joe though for the record!!! The Dixon kid signed with Lake region, no one brings that up, potentially 4 kids could play college ball, ya so its the coaches fault!!!!!! Its called learning to play with your team mates and stop worrying about college, these are the years they are going to remember not college, win or lose!!!!!!!!!!!
I am not their agent, nor am I trying to be. I do take issue with people taking shots, however subtle, at a coach who has won almost every game his team has played in North Dakota.
I do not think I put anyone on a pedestal in my post. I made an observation that Coach Kraft was able to keep 2 power conference recruits on a high school team in Enderlin, North Dakota. I think it is impressive that he was able to do that.
Why is it the fault of the coach if his team loses a game, but not the fault of the coach is his team wins a game? I do not understand this at all. My interpretation of the comment that I quoted is that if the team wins, it is because the players are good, but if the team loses, it is because the coach is not doing a good job. That seems a bit unfair to me.
I do not understand the comment about worrying about college.
Alijah Dixson signed 2 days ago. It is not shocking that was not mentioned on this forum. Gus Hurlburt made his college announcement 6 days ago. I did not notice that was mentioned on this forum, but it could have been.
I also think it falls on the Coach. If you have 4 kids moving on to play at the next level, there is no reason you can't make even one State B appearance. I know things happen and your not going to win every game, but in three years you should get to the big show at least one time with all that talent.
Same question to you. Does Coach Kraft get the credit if they win a state title or only get the blame if they lose?
chief45 wrote:The problem with Enderlin isn't that they haven't gone to state, the problem is early exits in the postseason. Had Enderlin lost to Kindred last year or Richland the year before then people on this board probably wouldn't talk down on Enderlin so much. The problem is that they lost to Oak Grove last year & Tri-State the year before. Enderlin should have easily won both of those games, but credit to the opponents for knocking them off.
balla45 wrote:I just always felt that the point of this site was to speak about athletics in our state and the participants in a positive way. I do not envy the position that Kraft is in. It seems that is is basically win it all or you have failed. That is a challenging situation to be in, and I think anyone can agree with that.
Flip wrote:balla45 wrote:I just always felt that the point of this site was to speak about athletics in our state and the participants in a positive way. I do not envy the position that Kraft is in. It seems that is is basically win it all or you have failed. That is a challenging situation to be in, and I think anyone can agree with that.
Enderlin is the most talented team in the history of class b basketball. I think winning a state title is a fair expectation.
Flip wrote:balla45 wrote:I just always felt that the point of this site was to speak about athletics in our state and the participants in a positive way. I do not envy the position that Kraft is in. It seems that is is basically win it all or you have failed. That is a challenging situation to be in, and I think anyone can agree with that.
Enderlin is the most talented team in the history of class b basketball. I think winning a state title is a fair expectation.
hoophoophoop wrote:Flip wrote:balla45 wrote:I just always felt that the point of this site was to speak about athletics in our state and the participants in a positive way. I do not envy the position that Kraft is in. It seems that is is basically win it all or you have failed. That is a challenging situation to be in, and I think anyone can agree with that.
Enderlin is the most talented team in the history of class b basketball. I think winning a state title is a fair expectation.
Come on, the most talented ever, I would take the Richland team from a couple years ago over this team, they knew how to play as a team, plus many more teams I could rattle off, like maybe Milnor team while back, may more!!!!!!!
hoophoophoop wrote:Flip wrote:balla45 wrote:I just always felt that the point of this site was to speak about athletics in our state and the participants in a positive way. I do not envy the position that Kraft is in. It seems that is is basically win it all or you have failed. That is a challenging situation to be in, and I think anyone can agree with that.
Enderlin is the most talented team in the history of class b basketball. I think winning a state title is a fair expectation.
Come on, the most talented ever, I would take the Richland team from a couple years ago over this team, they knew how to play as a team, plus many more teams I could rattle off, like maybe Milnor team while back, may more!!!!!!!
hoophoophoop wrote:Flip wrote:balla45 wrote:I just always felt that the point of this site was to speak about athletics in our state and the participants in a positive way. I do not envy the position that Kraft is in. It seems that is is basically win it all or you have failed. That is a challenging situation to be in, and I think anyone can agree with that.
Enderlin is the most talented team in the history of class b basketball. I think winning a state title is a fair expectation.
Come on, the most talented ever, I would take the Richland team from a couple years ago over this team, they knew how to play as a team, plus many more teams I could rattle off, like maybe Milnor team while back, may more!!!!!!!
Flip wrote:balla45 wrote:I just always felt that the point of this site was to speak about athletics in our state and the participants in a positive way. I do not envy the position that Kraft is in. It seems that is is basically win it all or you have failed. That is a challenging situation to be in, and I think anyone can agree with that.
Enderlin is the most talented team in the history of class b basketball. I think winning a state title is a fair expectation.
The Schwab wrote:hoophoophoop wrote:Flip wrote:balla45 wrote:I just always felt that the point of this site was to speak about athletics in our state and the participants in a positive way. I do not envy the position that Kraft is in. It seems that is is basically win it all or you have failed. That is a challenging situation to be in, and I think anyone can agree with that.
Enderlin is the most talented team in the history of class b basketball. I think winning a state title is a fair expectation.
Come on, the most talented ever, I would take the Richland team from a couple years ago over this team, they knew how to play as a team, plus many more teams I could rattle off, like maybe Milnor team while back, may more!!!!!!!
I wouldn't. IMO the only team that rivals the talent level on this team would be the late 90's MPCG teams (take your pick if you prefer 95, 96 or 97).
The Schwab wrote:hoophoophoop wrote:Flip wrote:balla45 wrote:I just always felt that the point of this site was to speak about athletics in our state and the participants in a positive way. I do not envy the position that Kraft is in. It seems that is is basically win it all or you have failed. That is a challenging situation to be in, and I think anyone can agree with that.
Enderlin is the most talented team in the history of class b basketball. I think winning a state title is a fair expectation.
Come on, the most talented ever, I would take the Richland team from a couple years ago over this team, they knew how to play as a team, plus many more teams I could rattle off, like maybe Milnor team while back, may more!!!!!!!
I wouldn't. IMO the only team that rivals the talent level on this team would be the late 90's MPCG teams (take your pick if you prefer 95, 96 or 97).
GOPACKGO!!! wrote:Speaking of Richland, anyone catch the Richland vs Oakes game last night? I caught the 2nd half, watched Oakes come back from around ten down and tie the game. Richland basically wasted the game away & their opportunity at the end, but anyway, with a little over 1sec left in the game, Oakes inbounded the ball and nailed a half court shot for the win. Now that's the way to pull off a victory!
vikingman wrote:GOPACKGO!!! wrote:Speaking of Richland, anyone catch the Richland vs Oakes game last night? I caught the 2nd half, watched Oakes come back from around ten down and tie the game. Richland basically wasted the game away & their opportunity at the end, but anyway, with a little over 1sec left in the game, Oakes inbounded the ball and nailed a half court shot for the win. Now that's the way to pull off a victory!
It's not the first time the NFHS auto-cam missed a half-court shot.
vikingman wrote:That's my first complaint this month.
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