senditin wrote:If a kid turns 19, that student is no longer eligible for competion per NDHSAA rules and they keep close track of it. FWM has never broken that rule but thanks to people like you the idea is still out there. Ironically, a NA school lost a state championship to a team with a player who wasnt in compliance with the age rule. See Youtube, Elbowwoods BB.
senditin wrote:If a kid turns 19, that student is no longer eligible for competion per NDHSAA rules and they keep close track of it. FWM has never broken that rule but thanks to people like you the idea is still out there. Ironically, a NA school lost a state championship to a team with a player who wasnt in compliance with the age rule. See Youtube, Elbowwoods BB.
B-oldtimer wrote:I think it would work but first you need to get to three classes because i still think it would take years before we would get third class in basketball and volleyball. If that happened i believe number of schools would just have hard time fielding a team because number of the small schools kids would just not care if they played that sport or not. I have been watching now for number years do realize there at least number of smaller schools that haven't even played in regional semifinal in over 10 years and some now approaching 20 years in basketball and Volleyball. This is what has happened in past 30 years we have a group of elite larger schools that continually are ones that play at regional and state level and group smaller schools that just put a team together each year but no real expectations are expected because they know that they will never be able to compete against these larger schools. Once this attitude happens we have failed system and fixing may take years or generation even if we address the issues . The funny thing here in North Dakota when it comes to football we have plan every two years to address this competitive issues for the various size schools The basketball and volleyball we have not addressed this issue in more than 40 years and even now its just about impossible to have discussion about this with activities association. Under the present conditions we have i don't care that number of schools like in region 1 and 2 don't make the state tournament because to truly have state tournament you need whole state represented regionally or its not state tournament. My feelings on those regions and schools from larger cities they are in wrong classification to begin with they should be with large class A schools they would then have as much a chance to win as small schools in class b do against them. I remember quote in Grand Forks Herald when Grafton one of the larger class b schools were class A there numbers were down so bad they couldn't get kids to compete against these larger schools because they didn't think they could win. The funny thing here is these same schools forget its no different with small schools now competing against there larger class b schools. This is why i have lost intensity of interest in class b sports because this issue had not been addressed . I also think this has happened state wide for large number of people but nothing has been done about it and now i don't think it will ever be done because nobody wants to take risk financially for the needs of smaller because they do not out weigh needs of the large and system it supports.
woodchuck10 wrote:FW was suspended from continuing postseason play (2009) and from competition in postseason (2010), for an ineligible player(too many semesters) there was rumors of a player on that team that was 20 but they weren’t suspended for that player. So it’s not entirely ignorant. Especially considering it’s the same coach and AD that received the suspension.
defensewinsgames wrote:Way back in my day.....
We had an all-state basketball and football player who suddenly began receiving letters from a private school offering him an "academic scholarship" to attend their school. He had a GPA below 2.9 and scored lower than a 21 on his ACT....not quite the academic performance that warrants a scholarship so it is quite possible it was him being recruited for his athletic ability. I only mention this because yes some private schools do recruit...all of them all of the time...no...but some of them some of the time...yes.
The Schwab wrote:This year the sweet 16 matchups would guarantee us 2 small school teams making the tournament, I don't think that would be the case most years. I do like parts of the system, but IMO it wouldn't fix the problem.
woodchuck10 wrote:Using QRF these would be the matchups for a NoDak 16
#1 Four Winds-M vs #16 White Shield @Devils Lake
#2 Grafton vs #15 Bottineau @Devils Lake
#3 Langdon-EM vs #14 Oak Grove @GF Betty
#4 Linton-HMB vs #13 North Border @GF Betty
#5 Dickinson Trinity vs #12 Kindred @ Jamestown CC
#6 Flasher vs #11 Powers Lake @Watford City
#7 Beulah vs #10 Rugby @Watford City
#8 Edgeley-KM vs #9 Shiloh Christian @Jamestown CC
packers21 wrote:The Schwab wrote:This year the sweet 16 matchups would guarantee us 2 small school teams making the tournament, I don't think that would be the case most years. I do like parts of the system, but IMO it wouldn't fix the problem.
You would traditionally see even more bigs/privates with the sweet 16.
ndlionsfan wrote:woodchuck10 wrote:Using QRF these would be the matchups for a NoDak 16
#1 Four Winds-M vs #16 White Shield @Devils Lake
#2 Grafton vs #15 Bottineau @Devils Lake
#3 Langdon-EM vs #14 Oak Grove @GF Betty
#4 Linton-HMB vs #13 North Border @GF Betty
#5 Dickinson Trinity vs #12 Kindred @ Jamestown CC
#6 Flasher vs #11 Powers Lake @Watford City
#7 Beulah vs #10 Rugby @Watford City
#8 Edgeley-KM vs #9 Shiloh Christian @Jamestown CC
I like the matchups and think it would be great games all around. Only part I don't like is that NB ends up playing LHMB and there is no way around finding a suitable location in which fans of one team don't have a 3+ hour drive for a single game.
B Historian wrote:The SoDak 16 wrapped up last night with eight games each in Class A and Class B. I'm not sure I see the wisdom in playing all 16 of those games in one night but I guess that's how they do it. The Class AA games were played on Saturday.
Of the 24 games played, the higher seed won 21 of them. The only real major upset was a 13 seed beating a 4 seed in Class B. White River won as a 3 seed in Class B and will be going to the state tournament for the 16th year in a row. However, another team from the same region as White River was able to make the state tournament for the first time in 25 years by winning as the 6th seed. This is the big advantage to this system in that multiple teams from a strong region have a chance to make state.
The AA state tournament is held in Rapid City this year. The nearest team involved in the tournament is Mitchell, which is 275 miles away! This is the down side to this type of playoff system in that one area of a state can be completely excluded.
In SD they do not use the QRF for seeding the teams but instead use a fairly rudimentary points system. Under this type of system a team like North Border would be ranked much higher than with the QRF.
ND Basketball Fan wrote:ND Basketball Fan wrote:Flip wrote:ND Basketball Fan wrote:Why is there so much animosity towards the Private Schools? They are in bigger cities but the cost to attend limits the number of kids who will/would attend these schools. OG is 10k a year. I hear all the time about Privates recruiting - simply not true. The bigger concern is schools like Four Winds (great program and coach) but who knows how old those kids are. With open enrollment, you see kids jumping to schools to play with kids that they play AAU ball with over the summer. Happens all the time, especially in other states like MN. I'm not apposed to the 3 class system, but do get frustrated with the talk about Privates and how the smaller schools don't have a chance to compete. At the end of the day, you do need #'s but more importantly you need to have a strong program that starts developing these kids at a young age. Just my opinion.
Quite the ignorant post.
Why exactly is it ignorant?
10k a year prevents kids from going to a Private School - True
Privates don't recruit athletes - True
FourWinds - Older kids? True - Isn't their big guy 20?
AAU has created kids jumping to other schools to play with friends - True
You need #'s yes but at the end of the day successful programs start at a young age - True
Doesn't seem ignorant to me.
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