defensewinsgames wrote:This is going to sound weird because it has turned into so much outside shooting but also shooting. As a whole I'm not sure shooting is great - and I know shooting form as a whole is bad. There is this huge emphasis on shooting threes but I would question how many good "shooters" there are as a whole. Just take a look at the death of the mid-range jumper for proof.
Bison-Vikes #1 wrote:defensewinsgames wrote:This is going to sound weird because it has turned into so much outside shooting but also shooting. As a whole I'm not sure shooting is great - and I know shooting form as a whole is bad. There is this huge emphasis on shooting threes but I would question how many good "shooters" there are as a whole. Just take a look at the death of the mid-range jumper for proof.
Agreed. IMHO, think that too many kids are allowed to start jacking up 3's at too young of age. They are shooting "from the hip" and it creates bad mechanics. Very hard to get rid of that muscle memory as they grow older. Shots start from waist area instead of shoulder area, so trajectory is more out than up and through. This creates a flat shot with bad rotation on the ball. 2 cents.
balla45 wrote:Bison-Vikes #1 wrote:defensewinsgames wrote:This is going to sound weird because it has turned into so much outside shooting but also shooting. As a whole I'm not sure shooting is great - and I know shooting form as a whole is bad. There is this huge emphasis on shooting threes but I would question how many good "shooters" there are as a whole. Just take a look at the death of the mid-range jumper for proof.
Agreed. IMHO, think that too many kids are allowed to start jacking up 3's at too young of age. They are shooting "from the hip" and it creates bad mechanics. Very hard to get rid of that muscle memory as they grow older. Shots start from waist area instead of shoulder area, so trajectory is more out than up and through. This creates a flat shot with bad rotation on the ball. 2 cents.
Somewhat agree. A former Miss Basketball and NDSU legend who is one of the most intelligent basketball people I have spoken with gave me a tidbit awhile ago that stuck with me. Teach everything correctly the first time and you do not have to waste time fixing it later. Her kids were completely dominant NDHS players and could shoot and I remember them shooting 3s from a very young age, just with correct mechanics.
Bison-Vikes #1 wrote:balla45 wrote:Bison-Vikes #1 wrote:defensewinsgames wrote:This is going to sound weird because it has turned into so much outside shooting but also shooting. As a whole I'm not sure shooting is great - and I know shooting form as a whole is bad. There is this huge emphasis on shooting threes but I would question how many good "shooters" there are as a whole. Just take a look at the death of the mid-range jumper for proof.
Agreed. IMHO, think that too many kids are allowed to start jacking up 3's at too young of age. They are shooting "from the hip" and it creates bad mechanics. Very hard to get rid of that muscle memory as they grow older. Shots start from waist area instead of shoulder area, so trajectory is more out than up and through. This creates a flat shot with bad rotation on the ball. 2 cents.
Somewhat agree. A former Miss Basketball and NDSU legend who is one of the most intelligent basketball people I have spoken with gave me a tidbit awhile ago that stuck with me. Teach everything correctly the first time and you do not have to waste time fixing it later. Her kids were completely dominant NDHS players and could shoot and I remember them shooting 3s from a very young age, just with correct mechanics.
Certainly. But it still takes strength and some have that strength at an earlier age and some don't. Their distance increased as their strength increased while shooting mechanically correct. Point is, that doesn't happen very often because not all parents/coaches can stay on top of it and correct it as they grow.
BasketballMind wrote:Elementary and Junior High coaches need to be far more focused on shooting mechanics and ballhandling and less on winning and losing. Sadly, we have too many that would rather work on specialty stuff and don't work on the boring stuff on a daily basis. Junior High coaches and shockingly, some elementary coaches that sacrifice fundamental skill work for specialty plays, complex defensive schemes, and other stuff that takes waaaaaay too long for the average JH team to understand and do properly are a big part of the problem.
Sportsrube wrote:Unfortunately the village idiots and the majority of the parents only care about winning at all levels more than they care about fundamentals. If a coach doesn't win they aren't around long. A lot of Elementary and JH coaches will let their "stars" dominate the offense in order to win and then wonder why a number of kids quit. Not saying every kid should get equal touches, but when only 2 kids ever touch the ball on offense there is a problem. I have always believed that your practice should be 70% skill development and 30% game preparation. Also, these kids have so much access to NBA and D1 games and they all want to be like their favorite player but they don't realize how much time those players have put in to develop their fundamentals. (A lot of Steph Curry wannbe shooters out there!)
defensewinsgames wrote:BasketballMind wrote:Elementary and Junior High coaches need to be far more focused on shooting mechanics and ballhandling and less on winning and losing. Sadly, we have too many that would rather work on specialty stuff and don't work on the boring stuff on a daily basis. Junior High coaches and shockingly, some elementary coaches that sacrifice fundamental skill work for specialty plays, complex defensive schemes, and other stuff that takes waaaaaay too long for the average JH team to understand and do properly are a big part of the problem.
Players, coaches, and parents get tired of doing the "boring" fundamentals. Three move combos, cross-over pull ups, dunks, and this other flash stuff is a lot more fun to work on (especially in the off-season by yourself) than form shooting, weak-hand ball handling, and other things that we know give more bang for your buck in the results category. Some things are done every day because they need to be like brushing your teeth, showering, or eating breakfast - it is about utility and preparation not fun. I have heard a lot of complaints about coaches that include they are doing the same thing too much/every day. Fundamental fatigue is a real problem.
maddog1971 wrote:Sportsmanship.....
Arguing with the coach, talking back to other players and talking to officials... Walking around holding up 3 fingers or some other sign after a 3 pointer....
Flip wrote:I'm curious about skills that are lacking now when were they better?
Flip wrote:I'm curious about skills that are lacking now when were they better?
Sportsrube wrote:I think one of the reasons for a decline in post play is that a number of the smaller schools don't have a someone with the height to be effective against other teams with a legitimate post player (height wise). When you are giving up 5 -6 inches in the post you spread your offense out and try and create penetration opportunities and draw the other team's big away from the basket.
Sportsrube wrote:Ellendale upset Edgely-Kulm for the Stutsman County Tournament Championship using an inside-out style of play. Both of these teams have good post players and do a good job of using them. Their bigs also do a very good job of finding shooters when they get doubled in the post.
BasketballMind wrote:Sportsrube wrote:Ellendale upset Edgely-Kulm for the Stutsman County Tournament Championship using an inside-out style of play. Both of these teams have good post players and do a good job of using them. Their bigs also do a very good job of finding shooters when they get doubled in the post.
Ellendale should dominate teams in the post and live in the high-low/short corner game. I’m not an anti Bigs shooting 3s or having ball skills guy, but there needs to be a balance. Want to hear more comments like yours around the state, not just teams that are clearly the tallest.
Sportsrube wrote:BasketballMind wrote:Sportsrube wrote:Ellendale upset Edgely-Kulm for the Stutsman County Tournament Championship using an inside-out style of play. Both of these teams have good post players and do a good job of using them. Their bigs also do a very good job of finding shooters when they get doubled in the post.
Ellendale should dominate teams in the post and live in the high-low/short corner game. I’m not an anti Bigs shooting 3s or having ball skills guy, but there needs to be a balance. Want to hear more comments like yours around the state, not just teams that are clearly the tallest.
In Region 3 (District 6) Napoleon-Gackle-Streeter has a young Erbele who is a true post player. I believe he is only a Sophomore and is a little short (around 6'2" I think) but he is a true back to the basket post player with solid footwork and some nice moves around the basket. Have not seen NGS play yet this year, but I watched him last year and have heard from a few people about him this year. I think he averaged a double double (pts/rebounds) last season.
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