gvmearees wrote:I've got a unique idea. Stop whining, complaining and making excuses, Get Better. I'm quite certain if a player wanted, he/she could find a coach to open the door to the gym, no matter the size of the community, to shoot, lift, whatever. You don't need a YMCA to do that. You don't need a travel team to get better. You don't need a "trainer". Getting better isn't always fun, it's spending lots of time by yourself. If you're lucky, you may have like minded friends to workout with. If you're lucky, you may have a mom or dad to help you out. If you're lucky, you don't have small minded people making excuses or complaining that Shiloh or Trinity or Ryan or any of the privates have such huge advantages over you. Maybe you should ask to spend a week with Young or Hedberg or Bohl to see how you're workouts and time spent by yourself compares with theirs. The Heimers of the world will always be around making excuses, pay no attention to them. Oh, by the way, the third class would fail within 5 year. Don't believe me, go watch the first few days of district or take the 4th place team from every region in the state, have a tournament and see how much interest there is. Get Better!!!!
heimer wrote:A thread of observations from the B, meant only to inspire dialogue, not make you think I'm smarter than anyone (even though....... )
1) If only two players from Shiloh Christian are all-tournament, Caanan Fagerland is the other one.
2) Ellendale is in the 7th place game, but they deserve two players on the all-tournament team.
3) Teams that play for regional titles drive to the basket and kick out for 3s. Teams that make the state tournament take mid-range j's. Teams that win state tournaments make mid-range j's. You still have to score from 8 to 15 feet to win big games.
4) The first round was excellent, and the tournament overall has been very good. The shotclock has improved basketball at the state tournament level of play.
5) It's time for high school basketball to adopt and embellishment technical. If I see a certain kid throw his head back and flop again, I'm going to throw up.
BISONFAN18 wrote:gvmearees wrote:I've got a unique idea. Stop whining, complaining and making excuses, Get Better. I'm quite certain if a player wanted, he/she could find a coach to open the door to the gym, no matter the size of the community, to shoot, lift, whatever. You don't need a YMCA to do that. You don't need a travel team to get better. You don't need a "trainer". Getting better isn't always fun, it's spending lots of time by yourself. If you're lucky, you may have like minded friends to workout with. If you're lucky, you may have a mom or dad to help you out. If you're lucky, you don't have small minded people making excuses or complaining that Shiloh or Trinity or Ryan or any of the privates have such huge advantages over you. Maybe you should ask to spend a week with Young or Hedberg or Bohl to see how you're workouts and time spent by yourself compares with theirs. The Heimers of the world will always be around making excuses, pay no attention to them. Oh, by the way, the third class would fail within 5 year. Don't believe me, go watch the first few days of district or take the 4th place team from every region in the state, have a tournament and see how much interest there is. Get Better!!!!
I agree. Kid's need to work harder. I also think people shouldn't complain when everyone is cheering for the other team.
gvmearees wrote:Get Better. I'm quite certain if a player wanted, he/she could find a coach to open the door to the gym, no matter the size of the community, to shoot, lift, whatever. You don't need a YMCA to do that. You don't need a travel team to get better. You don't need a "trainer". Getting better isn't always fun, it's spending lots of time by yourself. If you're lucky, you may have like minded friends to workout with. If you're lucky, you may have a mom or dad to help you out.
gvmearees wrote: Maybe you should ask to spend a week with Young or Hedberg or Bohl to see how you're workouts and time spent by yourself compares with theirs.
gvmearees wrote:Oh, by the way, the third class would fail within 5 year. Don't believe me, go watch the first few days of district or take the 4th place team from every region in the state, have a tournament and see how much interest there is. Get Better!!!!
defense1st wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:gvmearees wrote:I've got a unique idea. Stop whining, complaining and making excuses, Get Better. I'm quite certain if a player wanted, he/she could find a coach to open the door to the gym, no matter the size of the community, to shoot, lift, whatever. You don't need a YMCA to do that. You don't need a travel team to get better. You don't need a "trainer". Getting better isn't always fun, it's spending lots of time by yourself. If you're lucky, you may have like minded friends to workout with. If you're lucky, you may have a mom or dad to help you out. If you're lucky, you don't have small minded people making excuses or complaining that Shiloh or Trinity or Ryan or any of the privates have such huge advantages over you. Maybe you should ask to spend a week with Young or Hedberg or Bohl to see how you're workouts and time spent by yourself compares with theirs. The Heimers of the world will always be around making excuses, pay no attention to them. Oh, by the way, the third class would fail within 5 year. Don't believe me, go watch the first few days of district or take the 4th place team from every region in the state, have a tournament and see how much interest there is. Get Better!!!!
I agree. Kid's need to work harder. I also think people shouldn't complain when everyone is cheering for the other team.
I have a hard time with the "kid's these days don't work hard enough" narrative when those saying that are the ones who raised the "kid's these days."
(I don't know the age or child status of the two I'm quoting, just a general thought)
classB4ever wrote:Funny that it works in 45+ other states but could never work ND. I will make a bet, you take the top 3 teams from each region, I will take the remainder of the field. Will put on a state tournament. Let's see which one has the better turn out.
There's a reason why Shiloh doesn't play Century, Mandan, Legacy, St. Mary's. Why BR doesn't play Minot High. Why Oak Grove doesn't play Shanley, Davies, West Fargo, South and North. Why DT doesn't play Dickinson. All would save travel miles and ease scheduling, yes? It's because they would get it handed to them. Does that mean Shiloh, OG, DT, BR or OR players don't put in as much time as the others? I don't think so. It comes down to depth and supporting casts.
My reasoning for a 3rd class is to improve basketball during the season. Minimize blow outs. Having like teams playing like teams. I could give a crap about trophies. Heck, would just as soon have a 1 class system. But having mercy rules, etc. is not helping participation in ND bb. 2 cents.
Abbykate wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:Abbykate wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:bisonation6 wrote:heimer wrote:Abbykate, I agree that kids should not be treated badly.
I also agree with The Schwab.
My question is: are you going to do something about this? You have come here and voiced your concern. Perhaps it's time to also voice it with the administration at the private school you may be affiliated with (if you are affiliated with one).
Those adminiatrators are part of the problem. They are putting those kids in a bad position with the current system. I have not heard of a single private school administrator working toward a three-class system. They like their trips to state.
I'll make no excuses for how kids are treated. The athletes deserve nothing of the sort. Maybe its time the private schools take a more active role in improving the experiences of their athletes. That's a part of the job they are not doing.
I also pin 95% of this on the adults. The kids have nothing to do with it. Most of them are good friends with each other off the court. The ungrateful and jealous adults lead by poor example, speak for their kids, and stir up pointless drama. Social media has played a big part in this increasingly hostile attitude toward private schools. Fans have also gotten really bad in the stands over the last 10 years and you are now beginning to see this displayed by the players whenever they are called for a foul. It all rubs off. It starts with the adults.
I thought it was really cool last night when the big kid from Shiloh helped a Thompson player up from the floor in the middle of the play. You won’t see this in 10 years if parents and fans continue down the path we saw them lead Saturday night. Class B needs to wake up. Class A saw a Snapchat go around last year that a parent sent out saying how they wanted to punch an opposing player. Don’t let Class B come to Class A where we cheer during free throws and other nonsense. Remember, the main mission here is treating everyone with respect and the pledge of good sportsmanship. Each year these contests provide less and less of the “lessons for life.” What do you want these kids to grow up to be? There may be a problem with the current system, but don’t let that supercede what high school sports are really about. There is no excuse to allow this kind of behavior to be given a free pass. A lot of the adults really need to lead by example again.
Private schools deserve some of the blame. You just don't give job's to parents of great athletes or have "host" families for kids who excel at sports and expect people to not be upset.
I couldn't care less but no one should be suprised at the behavior of people in the crowd at these games. I know it is sad but it is true.
You can't have your cake and eat it to.
Do you have proof of this or are you just spewing more hate?
Don't be so sensitive. It happened. The Bearstails, the girl from SD (mobridge??), the young man from Africa. Each a case of a parent being employed or a host family and the kids being skilled. I am not insinuating anything other than people notice and you can't blame people for thinking that "recruiting" goes on. If nothing sketchy happened, don't let it bother you.
So your saying they recruited from Africa??? Seriously?? My daughter met Ogbu at college this year and has gotten to be good friends with him. His situation was scary where he lived he needed to get out of there before something bad happened. I think you are reaching.
Sportsrube wrote:Abbykate wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:Abbykate wrote:BISONFAN18 wrote:bisonation6 wrote:heimer wrote:Abbykate, I agree that kids should not be treated badly.
I also agree with The Schwab.
My question is: are you going to do something about this? You have come here and voiced your concern. Perhaps it's time to also voice it with the administration at the private school you may be affiliated with (if you are affiliated with one).
Those adminiatrators are part of the problem. They are putting those kids in a bad position with the current system. I have not heard of a single private school administrator working toward a three-class system. They like their trips to state.
I'll make no excuses for how kids are treated. The athletes deserve nothing of the sort. Maybe its time the private schools take a more active role in improving the experiences of their athletes. That's a part of the job they are not doing.
I also pin 95% of this on the adults. The kids have nothing to do with it. Most of them are good friends with each other off the court. The ungrateful and jealous adults lead by poor example, speak for their kids, and stir up pointless drama. Social media has played a big part in this increasingly hostile attitude toward private schools. Fans have also gotten really bad in the stands over the last 10 years and you are now beginning to see this displayed by the players whenever they are called for a foul. It all rubs off. It starts with the adults.
I thought it was really cool last night when the big kid from Shiloh helped a Thompson player up from the floor in the middle of the play. You won’t see this in 10 years if parents and fans continue down the path we saw them lead Saturday night. Class B needs to wake up. Class A saw a Snapchat go around last year that a parent sent out saying how they wanted to punch an opposing player. Don’t let Class B come to Class A where we cheer during free throws and other nonsense. Remember, the main mission here is treating everyone with respect and the pledge of good sportsmanship. Each year these contests provide less and less of the “lessons for life.” What do you want these kids to grow up to be? There may be a problem with the current system, but don’t let that supercede what high school sports are really about. There is no excuse to allow this kind of behavior to be given a free pass. A lot of the adults really need to lead by example again.
Private schools deserve some of the blame. You just don't give job's to parents of great athletes or have "host" families for kids who excel at sports and expect people to not be upset.
I couldn't care less but no one should be suprised at the behavior of people in the crowd at these games. I know it is sad but it is true.
You can't have your cake and eat it to.
Do you have proof of this or are you just spewing more hate?
Don't be so sensitive. It happened. The Bearstails, the girl from SD (mobridge??), the young man from Africa. Each a case of a parent being employed or a host family and the kids being skilled. I am not insinuating anything other than people notice and you can't blame people for thinking that "recruiting" goes on. If nothing sketchy happened, don't let it bother you.
So your saying they recruited from Africa??? Seriously?? My daughter met Ogbu at college this year and has gotten to be good friends with him. His situation was scary where he lived he needed to get out of there before something bad happened. I think you are reaching.
And if Ogbu was 5'8" and not athletic would he have still ended up at Shiloh?? Asking for a friend.
balla45 wrote:Just a quick comment on the Ogbu situation. The family in question has hosted at least 2 other tall, 6'4" and 7'0" Nigerian individuals who did not play basketball for Shiloh, or participate in athletics at Shiloh in any way.
balla45 wrote:I do not think it is my place to name the family that hosted him his senior year. Just am saying that the same family hosted 2 other Nigerians. Those 2 did play sports, just never for Shiloh, and are currently in college.
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