2017-18 Polls

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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby spins » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:04 pm

Jack8 wrote:
spins wrote:
Flip wrote:
spins wrote:ORCS should at the very least be getting votes. Do not be surprised if they are representing region 6 in state.

what team would you take out of the top 10?



i wouldn't change the top 10, those teams have all earned it even though I have a hunch they are better than teams like Maple Valley and New Town. I would absolutely vote ORCS over Carrington (who RV)


I will agree with you on maple valley.
I disagree with you on new town they are 14 and 1 against the best SOS amoung the top 10 teams and maple valley is near the bottom of all class b teams.



Let me put it this way, if they played all top 10 teams right now, i feel like they would win 3 or 4 games. Against who? Who knows???
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby HSsportFan » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:58 pm

I agree with Jack8 on this one New Town even at #9 they are one of the most under rated teams in the state. Not only is there SOS one of the best in the state but their SOVictory is also one of the highest in the state. I also cant understand how Shiloh(SC) stays in the top 10 just because you play tough teams does not mean you are a top 10 team. Their SOV is second lowest (.31) among top 10 only MV (.28) is lower. SC does have a high SOS but has lost to all the good team and does't have a win over any team with a record over .500.
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby scc » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:19 pm

HSsportFan wrote:I agree with Jack8 on this one New Town even at #9 they are one of the most under rated teams in the state. Not only is there SOS one of the best in the state but their SOVictory is also one of the highest in the state. I also cant understand how Shiloh(SC) stays in the top 10 just because you play tough teams does not mean you are a top 10 team. Their SOV is second lowest (.31) among top 10 only MV (.28) is lower. SC does have a high SOS but has lost to all the good team and does't have a win over any team with a record over .500.

Shiloh beat Trinity (9-7), Bottineau (13-2), Our Redeemer's (12-2), and Standing Rock (7-6). What am I missing here?
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby d_fense » Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:40 pm

scc wrote:
HSsportFan wrote:I agree with Jack8 on this one New Town even at #9 they are one of the most under rated teams in the state. Not only is there SOS one of the best in the state but their SOVictory is also one of the highest in the state. I also cant understand how Shiloh(SC) stays in the top 10 just because you play tough teams does not mean you are a top 10 team. Their SOV is second lowest (.31) among top 10 only MV (.28) is lower. SC does have a high SOS but has lost to all the good team and does't have a win over any team with a record over .500.

Shiloh beat Trinity (9-7), Bottineau (13-2), Our Redeemer's (12-2), and Standing Rock (7-6). What am I missing here?


Looks like HSsportFan is just pulling stuff out of his @$$.
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby HSsportFan » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:14 pm

d_fense wrote:
scc wrote:
HSsportFan wrote:I agree with Jack8 on this one New Town even at #9 they are one of the most under rated teams in the state. Not only is there SOS one of the best in the state but their SOVictory is also one of the highest in the state. I also cant understand how Shiloh(SC) stays in the top 10 just because you play tough teams does not mean you are a top 10 team. Their SOV is second lowest (.31) among top 10 only MV (.28) is lower. SC does have a high SOS but has lost to all the good team and does't have a win over any team with a record over .500.

Shiloh beat Trinity (9-7), Bottineau (13-2), Our Redeemer's (12-2), and Standing Rock (7-6). What am I missing here?


Looks like HSsportFan is just pulling stuff out of his @$$.


The data i used came from ndsportspage.com and i added missing games for three top 10 and rv so some games maybe missing most of the games mentionef i entered by hand last week maybe i ended up wirh a blank line in my spreadsheet and when I filtered it it did not showup. Sorry it was not intensional just looking at data when i made the statement.
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby vikingman » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:22 pm

well, at least you take the time to proofread your posts.
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Flip » Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:24 am

Use

http://northdakota-scores.net/

it is easily the best resource for finding results.
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:06 am

ndsportspage.com isn’t even updated to THIS season’s information for Class B. Doesn’t seem like a viable source worth using then does it?
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby hoophoophoop » Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:29 pm

maple valley got beat by 30 by W-L, Hmm
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby winner-within » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:57 pm

QRF Rankings: January 31, 2018
1 Stanley (14-0) 85.9
2 St. John (13-0) 84.5
3 New Town (14-1) 84.3
4 Oak Grove (12-1) 80.8
5 Bottineau (13-2) 77.5
6 Hillsboro/Central Valley (12-1) 76.0
7 Richland (12-1) 74.8
8 Bishop Ryan (13-2) 74.7
9 Carrington (12-2) 74.3
10 Our Redeemer (12-2) 73.5
11 Dunseith (11-4) 72.3
12 Grafton/St. Thomas (13-1) 70.7
13 Maple Valley (13-0) 70.2
14 Beulah (10-3) 69.7
15 Thompson (13-2) 67.5
16 Shiloh Christian (10-3) 65.6
17 Four Winds/Minnewaukan (10-3) 65.2
18 White Shield (10-4) 65.1
T-19 Wyndmere/Lidgerwood (12-2) 65.0
T-19 Solen (12-2) 65.0
21 Des Lacs-Burlington (11-4) 64.5
22 Turtle Lake-Mercer/McClusky (13-2) 62.3
23 Garrison (12-3) 62.2
24 Langdon/Edmore/Munich (13-2) 61.2
25 Velva (10-5) 60.8
26 Mandaree (8-5) 60.0
27 Rugby (10-5) 59.4
T-28 Edgeley/Kulm/Montpelier (10-4) 59.2
T-28 Hatton/Northwood (12-4) 59.2
30 Mohall-Lansford-Sherwood (8-6) 55.6
T-31 Powers Lake (10-5) 55.5
T-31 Lewis and Clark - North Shore (10-4) 55.5
33 Beach (10-3) 54.5
34 Dickinson Trinity (9-7) 54.0
35 Ellendale (11-3) 53.3
36 Kenmare (10-5) 52.8
37 Bowman County (10-5) 52.1
38 LaMoure/Litchville-Marion (10-5) 50.9
39 Kidder County (9-6) 50.2
40 Cavalier (7-6) 50.1
41 Killdeer (8-6) 49.7
42 Tri-State (8-5) 49.5
T-43 May-Port-C-G (8-5) 48.4
T-43 Park River/Fordville-Lankin (8-4) 48.4
45 Hettinger/Scranton (11-4) 47.5
46 Standing Rock/Selfridge (7-6) 47.0
47 Mott-Regent (8-7) 46.3
48 New Rockford-Sheyenne (8-7) 46.1
49 Midway/Minto (7-7) 44.9
50 Parshall (7-8) 44.3
51 Oakes (7-6) 44.2
52 Washburn (6-7) 42.0
53 Dakota Prairie (6-7) 41.9
54 Benson County (9-6) 41.8
55 Wilton/Wing (7-7) 41.5
56 Heart River (7-9) 41.0
57 Strasburg/Zeeland (5-10) 39.2
58 Burke County (7-8) 38.2
59 Nedrose (5-8) 37.8
60 Ray (6-9) 36.8
61 Milnor/North Sargent (6-7) 36.4
62 Rolla (7-7) 36.3
63 Flasher (5-10) 35.8
64 Northern Cass (5-9) 35.6
65 Westhope/Newburg (5-9) 35.4
66 Napoleon/Gackle-Streeter (7-9) 35.3
T-67 Kindred (6-8) 35.2
T-67 Underwood (6-8) 35.2
69 North Star/Starkweather (4-9) 34.5
70 Harvey/Wells County (5-8) 34.3
71 Larimore (5-9) 33.4
72 Linton/HMB (4-10) 32.5
73 Hazen (3-10) 31.6
74 Glenburn (5-11) 31.5
75 Enderlin (5-10) 30.6
76 Hankinson (4-10) 30.4
77 Lewis and Clark - Berthold (5-10) 30.2
78 Watford City (2-11) 29.3
79 Central Cass (2-11) 28.4
80 Drake-Anamoose (4-9) 28.1
81 Lisbon (4-11) 28.0
82 Warwick (4-9) 27.6
83 Trenton (4-9) 27.1
84 Glen Ullin/Hebron (4-12) 26.5
85 Surrey (4-11) 25.7
86 Griggs County Central (3-12) 25.5
87 Midkota (3-9) 25.4
88 New England (5-10) 24.5
89 Rolette/Wolford (3-11) 24.2
T-90 Alexander (1-4) 24.0
T-90 Barnes County North (4-9) 24.0
T-90 New Salem-Almont (4-10) 24.0
93 North Border (2-11) 22.9
94 Richardton-Taylor (4-11) 22.8
95 South Border (2-12) 20.5
96 TGU (1-14) 20.1
97 Trinity Christian (2-13) 18.4
98 South Prairie (1-13) 18.3
T-99 Tioga (2-12) 18.1
T-99 Drayton/Valley-Edinburg (1-13) 18.1
101 Medina/Pingree-Buchanan (1-12) 17.7
102 Sargent Central (1-12) 16.6
103 Finley-Sharon/Hope-Page (1-14) 16.3
104 Max (1-13) 16.2
105 Center-Stanton (1-12) 15.3
106 Lakota (1-12) 13.9
107 Grant County (0-14) 13.3
108 Divide County (8-
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:59 pm

FYI: QRF does not include out of state games...for those teams that play out of state games
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby HSsportFan » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:51 pm

Run4Fun2009 wrote:ndsportspage.com isn’t even updated to THIS season’s information for Class B. Doesn’t seem like a viable source worth using then does it?


Run4Fun:It is updated every day with over 500 games from this year. I wanted to be able to cut and paste into excel and this websites data was by far the easiest to do that from because it did not have any extra data with it. It did not have all the game but I had added the ones for the top ten and RV. Now i am using both ndsportspage and the schedule thread on this site. The biggest problem I have with the schedule thread is the top ten ranking numbers and RV I need team names to be consistant for my SOS and SOV formulas to work. Tried Northdakota-scores.net but could not find an easy way to extract the data.

The following is a cut and paste from this website to show it is being updated regularly.
2017-2018

Friday, February 2nd
Beach 78 Center-Stanton 47
Beulah 74 Watford City 42
Bismarck Shiloh Chistian 58 Solen 50
Bottineau 65 Minot Nedrose 45
Bowman County 51 Richardton-Taylor 39
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:38 am

HSsportFan wrote:
Run4Fun2009 wrote:ndsportspage.com isn’t even updated to THIS season’s information for Class B. Doesn’t seem like a viable source worth using then does it?


Run4Fun:It is updated every day with over 500 games from this year. I wanted to be able to cut and paste into excel and this websites data was by far the easiest to do that from because it did not have any extra data with it. It did not have all the game but I had added the ones for the top ten and RV. Now i am using both ndsportspage and the schedule thread on this site. The biggest problem I have with the schedule thread is the top ten ranking numbers and RV I need team names to be consistant for my SOS and SOV formulas to work. Tried Northdakota-scores.net but could not find an easy way to extract the data.

The following is a cut and paste from this website to show it is being updated regularly.
2017-2018

Friday, February 2nd
Beach 78 Center-Stanton 47
Beulah 74 Watford City 42
Bismarck Shiloh Chistian 58 Solen 50
Bottineau 65 Minot Nedrose 45
Bowman County 51 Richardton-Taylor 39


Scores are being updated...standing are NOT. That was what I was getting at in my post. I went to check the standings page just now....here is what comes up: http://ndsportspage.com/Boys-Basketball ... gs-Class-B

Last update 2/07/17...that's LAST SEASON. So, my point is probably better to use northdakota-scores.net or this site's standings cause those are WAY behind (I wasn't clear on this in my previous post and I should have been...)

Note: Class A at least has been updated this year ;) but a month ago...
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:24 pm

NINTH POLL
Monday, February 5th

1. St. John (6) 15-0 156
2. Stanley (11) 15-0 154
3. Hillsboro-Central Valley 14-1 138
4. Thompson 14-2 106
5. Grafton 14-1 101
6. Oak Grove 13-2 91
7. Bishop Ryan 15-2 75
8. Shiloh Christian 12-3 40
9. Wyndmere-Lidgerwood 13-2 19
10. Bottineau 14-2 13
Others Receiving Votes: New Town (15-2), Beulah (11-3), Carrington (13-2), Four Winds-Minnewaukan (11-4), Maple Valley (13-1), Dunseith (11-4), Our Redeemer's (13-2).
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby NodakQ2 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:35 pm

Rough night/week for those teams in the polls:

*Stanley gets beat twice.
*Grafton gets beat.
*Shiloh gets beat.
*Bottineau gets beat.
*RV New Town also got beat.

I think we'll see at least a couple new teams "in" next week.
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby ndlionsfan » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:49 pm

FWM also got beat twice
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Jack8 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:20 pm

NodakQ2 wrote:Rough night/week for those teams in the polls:

*Stanley gets beat twice.
*Grafton gets beat.
*Shiloh gets beat.
*Bottineau gets beat.
*RV New Town also got beat.

I think we'll see at least a couple new teams "in" next week.



New Town did not lose.
There JV lost to TLM
They do have a game against Shiloh on Saturday though so there still is a chace, either way someone on the polls will be down a game
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Brody N » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:02 pm

Jack8 wrote:
NodakQ2 wrote:Rough night/week for those teams in the polls:

*Stanley gets beat twice.
*Grafton gets beat.
*Shiloh gets beat.
*Bottineau gets beat.
*RV New Town also got beat.

I think we'll see at least a couple new teams "in" next week.



New Town did not lose.
There JV lost to TLM
They do have a game against Shiloh on Saturday though so there still is a chace, either way someone on the polls will be down a game


New town sat 3 starters yes, but they still played 2 starters and the game was part of the varsity schedule so I don’t know how they’re considering it a jv game. If all 5 starters got hurt and couldn’t play that wouldn’t make it a jv game. To me it should still count as a loss on their varsity record. Correct me if I’m way off here
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Jack8 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:40 pm

Brody N wrote:
Jack8 wrote:
NodakQ2 wrote:Rough night/week for those teams in the polls:

*Stanley gets beat twice.
*Grafton gets beat.
*Shiloh gets beat.
*Bottineau gets beat.
*RV New Town also got beat.

I think we'll see at least a couple new teams "in" next week.



New Town did not lose.
There JV lost to TLM
They do have a game against Shiloh on Saturday though so there still is a chace, either way someone on the polls will be down a game


New town sat 3 starters yes, but they still played 2 starters and the game was part of the varsity schedule so I don’t know how they’re considering it a jv game. If all 5 starters got hurt and couldn’t play that wouldn’t make it a jv game. To me it should still count as a loss on their varsity record. Correct me if I’m way off here


The two starters your referring to one is a freshman the other a junior. New Town sat 5 players all seniors 3 starters and the 6th and 7th guy off the bench. And if it was varsity vs varsity we woundnt be taking about this as i believe New Town would have crushed TLM.
TLM barley got passsed new towns jv with even though new towns jv had 40 plus fouls called on them.
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Brody N » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:18 pm

Jack8 wrote:
Brody N wrote:
Jack8 wrote:
NodakQ2 wrote:Rough night/week for those teams in the polls:

*Stanley gets beat twice.
*Grafton gets beat.
*Shiloh gets beat.
*Bottineau gets beat.
*RV New Town also got beat.

I think we'll see at least a couple new teams "in" next week.



New Town did not lose.
There JV lost to TLM
They do have a game against Shiloh on Saturday though so there still is a chace, either way someone on the polls will be down a game


New town sat 3 starters yes, but they still played 2 starters and the game was part of the varsity schedule so I don’t know how they’re considering it a jv game. If all 5 starters got hurt and couldn’t play that wouldn’t make it a jv game. To me it should still count as a loss on their varsity record. Correct me if I’m way off here


The two starters your referring to one is a freshman the other a junior. New Town sat 5 players all seniors 3 starters and the 6th and 7th guy off the bench. And if it was varsity vs varsity we woundnt be taking about this as i believe New Town would have crushed TLM.
TLM barley got passsed new towns jv with even though new towns jv had 40 plus fouls called on them.


Pretty easy To say now but I guess we will never know. Also didn’t help TLMM’s second leading scorer (avgs 17 and 12) got hurt early in the game which probably had something to do with Jacobs going off. Not saying they would have won if new town was at full strength but I’ve watched TLMM a couple times this year and strongly believe they would not have gotten “crushed”
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby B-oldtimer » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:47 pm

the polls are interesting and I guess it will help the eventual teams that make it to state because of seating process. I believe they are used even if people deny it because its hard for individuals know about each of the teams that make the state tournament. We have entered the season now where its more about each region in the state and how likely a team is it to reach state. Some regions the depth is much greater and there is more balance of power and other regions there are favorites that if they play their game have very good chance of reaching state. Region 2 has three teams in the top 5 but only one of them can reach the state and even there are couple of teams that seem to be able to compete now that are not even mentioned in the poll. Region 1and 6 looks to be other regions with multiple teams in poll and mentioned in polling process so again we have multiple team region where only one team can reach the State. We have teams from region 1,2,4,5,6, and 8 in this last poll so out the 10 possible rated teams only 6 could possibly make the state tournament. This leaves 2 teams for sure that are not in current poll and even with these teams in current poll several play in competitive regions where they could be beat out by team not in the current poll. It all comes down to most important poll now can these teams win their regions because it doesn't matter if your rated 3 in the state if you can't advance out of your region doesn't matter how you were rated.
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Bigbrew22 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:46 pm

Don't think so jack8. New Town isn't crushing TLMM on there best day. That was a scheduled varsity game if they wanna sit players that's there problem. It should go against they're record. Might have been closer with the starters but crushed is pretty bold to say. So yes New Toen lost
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby aNDkid91 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:52 pm

Jack8 wrote:
Brody N wrote:
Jack8 wrote:
NodakQ2 wrote:Rough night/week for those teams in the polls:

*Stanley gets beat twice.
*Grafton gets beat.
*Shiloh gets beat.
*Bottineau gets beat.
*RV New Town also got beat.

I think we'll see at least a couple new teams "in" next week.



New Town did not lose.
There JV lost to TLM
They do have a game against Shiloh on Saturday though so there still is a chace, either way someone on the polls will be down a game


New town sat 3 starters yes, but they still played 2 starters and the game was part of the varsity schedule so I don’t know how they’re considering it a jv game. If all 5 starters got hurt and couldn’t play that wouldn’t make it a jv game. To me it should still count as a loss on their varsity record. Correct me if I’m way off here


The two starters your referring to one is a freshman the other a junior. New Town sat 5 players all seniors 3 starters and the 6th and 7th guy off the bench. And if it was varsity vs varsity we woundnt be taking about this as i believe New Town would have crushed TLM.
TLM barley got passsed new towns jv with even though new towns jv had 40 plus fouls called on them.


So was there an actual JV game?
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Brody N » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:00 am

aNDkid91 wrote:
Jack8 wrote:
Brody N wrote:
Jack8 wrote:
NodakQ2 wrote:Rough night/week for those teams in the polls:

*Stanley gets beat twice.
*Grafton gets beat.
*Shiloh gets beat.
*Bottineau gets beat.
*RV New Town also got beat.

I think we'll see at least a couple new teams "in" next week.



New Town did not lose.
There JV lost to TLM
They do have a game against Shiloh on Saturday though so there still is a chace, either way someone on the polls will be down a game


New town sat 3 starters yes, but they still played 2 starters and the game was part of the varsity schedule so I don’t know how they’re considering it a jv game. If all 5 starters got hurt and couldn’t play that wouldn’t make it a jv game. To me it should still count as a loss on their varsity record. Correct me if I’m way off here


The two starters your referring to one is a freshman the other a junior. New Town sat 5 players all seniors 3 starters and the 6th and 7th guy off the bench. And if it was varsity vs varsity we woundnt be taking about this as i believe New Town would have crushed TLM.
TLM barley got passsed new towns jv with even though new towns jv had 40 plus fouls called on them.


So was there an actual JV game?


Yes. There was a normal 4 quarter jv game before the varsity game
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby aNDkid91 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:37 am

Brody N wrote:
aNDkid91 wrote:
Jack8 wrote:
Brody N wrote:
Jack8 wrote:
NodakQ2 wrote:Rough night/week for those teams in the polls:

*Stanley gets beat twice.
*Grafton gets beat.
*Shiloh gets beat.
*Bottineau gets beat.
*RV New Town also got beat.

I think we'll see at least a couple new teams "in" next week.



New Town did not lose.
There JV lost to TLM
They do have a game against Shiloh on Saturday though so there still is a chace, either way someone on the polls will be down a game


New town sat 3 starters yes, but they still played 2 starters and the game was part of the varsity schedule so I don’t know how they’re considering it a jv game. If all 5 starters got hurt and couldn’t play that wouldn’t make it a jv game. To me it should still count as a loss on their varsity record. Correct me if I’m way off here


The two starters your referring to one is a freshman the other a junior. New Town sat 5 players all seniors 3 starters and the 6th and 7th guy off the bench. And if it was varsity vs varsity we woundnt be taking about this as i believe New Town would have crushed TLM.
TLM barley got passsed new towns jv with even though new towns jv had 40 plus fouls called on them.


So was there an actual JV game?


Yes. There was a normal 4 quarter jv game before the varsity game


Then this game was a varsity game Jack8. Just because your coach decided to sit the 3 starters & the 6th/7th guys off the bench does not mean it was a JV game. Take your loss with a little class.
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