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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby ndlionsfan » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:25 am

HSsportFan wrote:NDlinon: Guess I did not see that game the way you did but I will say New Town is one of the quickest teams in the state. They may not be very big but they rebound very well because of their quickness. New Town did not have an answer for Kayden Hanson, Stanley's big guy, but they give most teams a lot of trouble because of their quickness. New Town came into that game undefeated and has one of the best Strength of Victory in the state at 55% and SOS at 60%. This means they have played a very tough schedule so far and their only loss is to the #1 team in the state. As for Stanley their starting 5 are #1 in the state, the bench had some trouble with NT speed but when the starting 5 was in they were able to distance themselves from NT.


I know New Town is a good team and not taking anything away from that win. But from what I saw in that game, Stanley has a long ways to go defensively to be the top team in the state. They have a lot of talented players, but if they run into a tough defense and a team that is sound fundamentally I have a feeling they will struggle. Granted, I have only watched one game of theirs and that is not a big sample. But that could have been what some voters saw as well.

On a side note, I think that it is great with BEK and now even WDAZ televising some of these regular season games. It's nice to be able to see teams play that most people usually are unable to unless they make state. Too bad this wasn't an option in the past as a lot of great teams have not made it to the state tourney.
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Edger » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:39 am

winner-within wrote:
ndlionsfan wrote:
Run4Fun2009 wrote:
HSsportFan wrote:Getting back to this week's poll:I find it ironic that Stanley can lose 8 points in the poll, 174 last week 166 this week. Only 6 voters did not vote them as #1 which means some voters moved them down two spots from where they voted last week. I can understand the 3 that switched from Stanley to St. Johns. If I assume those three moved Stanley to the 2 spot then the 2 of the other three voters moved Stanley down 2 spots. Last week Stanley beat Ray easily and New Town, ranked #10 or 11, by 10. Maybe somebody can enlighten me on why you would move a team down 2 slots when most voters believe they are 1 or two.


Some voters must not be sold on Stanley...that's my guess; Region 8 teams don't always get the recognition, most years, as Region 8 has regularly been a 'down-region'. Just my take...


After watching the Stanley/New Town game on BEK, I would not put them #1 either. I've seen HCV, Oak Grove, and St. John play and would all put them ahead of Stanley.


was wondering about this game and how Stanley is looking....I know they lost a couple from the State Tourn team last season?


ndlionsfan, I agree with you on this. What I took away from NT and Watford's game against Stanley is that its closer than one would think in their Region, but just looking at the schedules that some of the other State ranked teams have played, I'm not sure that Stanley has really been tested yet. They haven't even played any other State ranked teams so far. Their upcoming game against Shiloh will be very telling. Shiloh is holding their own even without Ogbu, so I guess we'll see this weekend.
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby HSsportFan » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:41 am

winner-within wrote:
ndlionsfan wrote:
Run4Fun2009 wrote:
HSsportFan wrote:Getting back to this week's poll:I find it ironic that Stanley can lose 8 points in the poll, 174 last week 166 this week. Only 6 voters did not vote them as #1 which means some voters moved them down two spots from where they voted last week. I can understand the 3 that switched from Stanley to St. Johns. If I assume those three moved Stanley to the 2 spot then the 2 of the other three voters moved Stanley down 2 spots. Last week Stanley beat Ray easily and New Town, ranked #10 or 11, by 10. Maybe somebody can enlighten me on why you would move a team down 2 slots when most voters believe they are 1 or two.


Some voters must not be sold on Stanley...that's my guess; Region 8 teams don't always get the recognition, most years, as Region 8 has regularly been a 'down-region'. Just my take...


After watching the Stanley/New Town game on BEK, I would not put them #1 either. I've seen HCV, Oak Grove, and St. John play and would all put them ahead of Stanley.


was wondering about this game and how Stanley is looking....I know they lost a couple from the State Tourn team last season?


WW: I posted a comment to the previous reply but I focused on New Town. Stanley did lose a couple starters from last year but their replacements had a lot of court time last year and to me are looking better than last year. The defense is quicker and all around better. The guards have been able to stay with most guards (NT quickness gave them some trouble). The forward have been not trouble at all and the middle belongs to Kayden Hanson who has been able to stay out of foul trouble all year. As for the offense, well the Blue Jays are very balanced. Usually in years past a Mr. Basketball candidate like Wyatt Hanson would be the one you have to stop to beat them. This team has a lot of firepower with most nights having all starters in double digits. There are times when the Blue Jays have 5 players on the floor that can jam it at any time that is very unusual for any basketball team. So I guess when a team can shoot the rock from outside, have a dominate guy in the middle, can handle the press, penetrate the paint, dunk, play defense, get up and down the floor, dunk, rebound,and a Mr. Basketball candidate you have the makings of a very good basketball team. They are so fun to watch and I mentioned dunks - the Blue Jays do them all from ally-oops, windmills, off the glass, drop-step, two handed, power one handed and my personal favorite split the zone.
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby winner-within » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:45 am

HSsportFan wrote:
winner-within wrote:
ndlionsfan wrote:
Run4Fun2009 wrote:
HSsportFan wrote:Getting back to this week's poll:I find it ironic that Stanley can lose 8 points in the poll, 174 last week 166 this week. Only 6 voters did not vote them as #1 which means some voters moved them down two spots from where they voted last week. I can understand the 3 that switched from Stanley to St. Johns. If I assume those three moved Stanley to the 2 spot then the 2 of the other three voters moved Stanley down 2 spots. Last week Stanley beat Ray easily and New Town, ranked #10 or 11, by 10. Maybe somebody can enlighten me on why you would move a team down 2 slots when most voters believe they are 1 or two.


Some voters must not be sold on Stanley...that's my guess; Region 8 teams don't always get the recognition, most years, as Region 8 has regularly been a 'down-region'. Just my take...


After watching the Stanley/New Town game on BEK, I would not put them #1 either. I've seen HCV, Oak Grove, and St. John play and would all put them ahead of Stanley.


was wondering about this game and how Stanley is looking....I know they lost a couple from the State Tourn team last season?


WW: I posted a comment to the previous reply but I focused on New Town. Stanley did lose a couple starters from last year but their replacements had a lot of court time last year and to me are looking better than last year. The defense is quicker and all around better. The guards have been able to stay with most guards (NT quickness gave them some trouble). The forward have been not trouble at all and the middle belongs to Kayden Hanson who has been able to stay out of foul trouble all year. As for the offense, well the Blue Jays are very balanced. Usually in years past a Mr. Basketball candidate like Wyatt Hanson would be the one you have to stop to beat them. This team has a lot of firepower with most nights having all starters in double digits. There are times when the Blue Jays have 5 players on the floor that can jam it at any time that is very unusual for any basketball team. So I guess when a team can shoot the rock from outside, have a dominate guy in the middle, can handle the press, penetrate the paint, dunk, play defense, get up and down the floor, dunk, rebound,and a Mr. Basketball candidate you have the makings of a very good basketball team. They are so fun to watch and I mentioned dunks - the Blue Jays do them all from ally-oops, windmills, off the glass, drop-step, two handed, power one handed and my personal favorite split the zone.


Interesting! I know they looked very athletic when watching them at State B last year....
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby spins » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:05 pm

he is a senior this year. both hansens are seniors.

The impression i get from stanley is they tend to play down to their competition. I believe they try to run offensive plays to include the whole team, but when things get close,,,wyatt hansen can just win the game for them. He took over in state last year and can do that at anytime. their schedule is soft no doubt...but they're a good team.
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby HSsportFan » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:10 pm

winner-within wrote:
HSsportFan wrote:
winner-within wrote:
ndlionsfan wrote:
Run4Fun2009 wrote:
HSsportFan wrote:Getting back to this week's poll:I find it ironic that Stanley can lose 8 points in the poll, 174 last week 166 this week. Only 6 voters did not vote them as #1 which means some voters moved them down two spots from where they voted last week. I can understand the 3 that switched from Stanley to St. Johns. If I assume those three moved Stanley to the 2 spot then the 2 of the other three voters moved Stanley down 2 spots. Last week Stanley beat Ray easily and New Town, ranked #10 or 11, by 10. Maybe somebody can enlighten me on why you would move a team down 2 slots when most voters believe they are 1 or two.


Some voters must not be sold on Stanley...that's my guess; Region 8 teams don't always get the recognition, most years, as Region 8 has regularly been a 'down-region'. Just my take...


After watching the Stanley/New Town game on BEK, I would not put them #1 either. I've seen HCV, Oak Grove, and St. John play and would all put them ahead of Stanley.




was wondering about this game and how Stanley is looking....I know they lost a couple from the State Tourn team last season?


WW: I posted a comment to the previous reply but I focused on New Town. Stanley did lose a couple starters from last year but their replacements had a lot of court time last year and to me are looking better than last year. The defense is quicker and all around better. The guards have been able to stay with most guards (NT quickness gave them some trouble). The forward have been not trouble at all and the middle belongs to Kayden Hanson who has been able to stay out of foul trouble all year. As for the offense, well the Blue Jays are very balanced. Usually in years past a Mr. Basketball candidate like Wyatt Hanson would be the one you have to stop to beat them. This team has a lot of firepower with most nights having all starters in double digits. There are times when the Blue Jays have 5 players on the floor that can jam it at any time that is very unusual for any basketball team. So I guess when a team can shoot the rock from outside, have a dominate guy in the middle, can handle the press, penetrate the paint, dunk, play defense, get up and down the floor, dunk, rebound,and a Mr. Basketball candidate you have the makings of a very good basketball team. They are so fun to watch and I mentioned dunks - the Blue Jays do them all from ally-oops, windmills, off the glass, drop-step, two handed, power one handed and my personal favorite split the zone.


Interesting! I know they looked very athletic when watching them at State B last year....
so Wyatt H. has graduated?


No, Wyatt is a senior and committed to Moorehead State next year. He is very fun to watch and is a complete ball player and should be a Mr. Basketball and Senior Athlete candidate this year. With his size, speed, quickness, ability to play above the rim, defense, rebounding he is the real deal. A great player on a very good team.
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby winner-within » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:18 pm

agreed...The real deal
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby HSsportFan » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:31 pm

spins wrote:he is a senior this year. both hansens are seniors.

The impression i get from stanley is they tend to play down to their competition. I believe they try to run offensive plays to include the whole team, but when things get close,,,wyatt hansen can just win the game for them. He took over in state last year and can do that at anytime. their schedule is soft no doubt...but they're a good team.


Spins: I agreed with you about Stanley's schedule being soft but then I looked at Strength of Victory for the top 11 teams: so here they are some may surprise you:
Shiloh Christian 18 53 0.253521127
Maple Valley 36 73 0.330275229
Minot Ryan 31 55 0.360465116
Thompson 37 63 0.37
Grafton 47 69 0.405172414
Hillsboro-CV 44 55 0.444444444
St. John 44 54 0.448979592
Stanley 42 50 0.456521739
Richland 36 40 0.473684211
Fargo Oak Grove 42 44 0.488372093
Bottineau 54 53 0.504672897
New Town 55 46 0.544554455 this number is really really good
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:00 pm

EIGHTH POLL
Monday, January 29th

1. Stanley (11) 13-0 140
2. St. John (4) 13-0 139
3. Hillsboro-Central Valley 12-1 118
4. Oak Grove 11-1 102
5. Grafton 12-1 70
6. Thompson 12-2 68
7. Bishop Ryan 12-2 52
8. Maple Valley 12-0 43
9. New Town 13-1 31
10. Shiloh Christian 9-3 20
Others Receiving Votes: Four Winds-Minnewaukan (9-3), Solen (12-1), Bottineau (12-2), Dunseith (10-4), Richland (11-1), Carrington (12-2).
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby spins » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:45 am

ORCS should at the very least be getting votes. Do not be surprised if they are representing region 6 in state.
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Flip » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:01 am

spins wrote:ORCS should at the very least be getting votes. Do not be surprised if they are representing region 6 in state.

what team would you take out of the top 10?
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Edger » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:12 am

Don't see that spins was talking about removing a top 10. Just that ORCS should at least be receiving votes. Myself, I wouldn't be surprised to see any of the top 4 teams from Region 6 making it to State, referring to Bishop, Bottineau, Orcs, DLB. Wild Cards, Velva, MLS and perhaps even Rugby.
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:15 am

Flip wrote:
spins wrote:ORCS should at the very least be getting votes. Do not be surprised if they are representing region 6 in state.

what team would you take out of the top 10?


ORCS has two losses to #7 & #10...so therefore I wouldn’t think they would reside in the Top 10...I, however, was shocked to not see them in RV though
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby scc » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:21 am

There were three fewer voters this week, which may have impacted ORCS receiving at least one vote.
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Flip » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:14 pm

Edger wrote:Don't see that spins was talking about removing a top 10. Just that ORCS should at least be receiving votes. Myself, I wouldn't be surprised to see any of the top 4 teams from Region 6 making it to State, referring to Bishop, Bottineau, Orcs, DLB. Wild Cards, Velva, MLS and perhaps even Rugby.

but to receive votes a voter must put them in the top 10. So they must put them above a team in the top 10.
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Edger » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:41 pm

Flip wrote:
Edger wrote:Don't see that spins was talking about removing a top 10. Just that ORCS should at least be receiving votes. Myself, I wouldn't be surprised to see any of the top 4 teams from Region 6 making it to State, referring to Bishop, Bottineau, Orcs, DLB. Wild Cards, Velva, MLS and perhaps even Rugby.

but to receive votes a voter must put them in the top 10. So they must put them above a team in the top 10.


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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby spins » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:41 pm

Flip wrote:
spins wrote:ORCS should at the very least be getting votes. Do not be surprised if they are representing region 6 in state.

what team would you take out of the top 10?



i wouldn't change the top 10, those teams have all earned it even though I have a hunch they are better than teams like Maple Valley and New Town. I would absolutely vote ORCS over Carrington (who RV)
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby spins » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:44 pm

Edger wrote:Don't see that spins was talking about removing a top 10. Just that ORCS should at least be receiving votes. Myself, I wouldn't be surprised to see any of the top 4 teams from Region 6 making it to State, referring to Bishop, Bottineau, Orcs, DLB. Wild Cards, Velva, MLS and perhaps even Rugby.



I agree Edgar, lots of good teams in this region. I do think Ryan is a notch above everyone when they decide to play. I think ORCS is the 2nd best team in this region.

Ryan
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby hoophoophoop » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:44 pm

maple valley will be losing some coming up in future, 4th best team in region
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby packers21 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:20 pm

hoophoophoop wrote:maple valley will be losing some coming up in future, 4th best team in region


Ha right, who is better than them besides OG??
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby winner-within » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:58 pm

you always applaud any team that goes on a 12 game win streak to start the year, regardless of schedule or expectations coming in.....it means something is right vs something is wrong (always a good thing) W-L will give them a fit no doubt, and of course there is the home stretch to every teams season.....thats where composure comes in....
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Bigbrew22 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:13 pm

There's a team out there that's flying way under the radar. Haven't really been mentioned at all on any post that clearly should be in consideration. Surprised they haven't even been mentioned. Made state last year and are better this year
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:35 pm

Bigbrew22 wrote:There's a team out there that's flying way under the radar. Haven't really been mentioned at all on any post that clearly should be in consideration. Surprised they haven't even been mentioned. Made state last year and are better this year


Well this has to be TLMM that you are talking about...
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Bigbrew22 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:07 pm

Yep they shouldn't be overlooked. But we'll see.. they play back to back top ten teams next.
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Re: 2017-18 Polls

Postby Jack8 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:17 pm

spins wrote:
Flip wrote:
spins wrote:ORCS should at the very least be getting votes. Do not be surprised if they are representing region 6 in state.

what team would you take out of the top 10?



i wouldn't change the top 10, those teams have all earned it even though I have a hunch they are better than teams like Maple Valley and New Town. I would absolutely vote ORCS over Carrington (who RV)


I will agree with you on maple valley.
I disagree with you on new town they are 14 and 1 against the best SOS amoung the top 10 teams and maple valley is near the bottom of all class b teams.
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