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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby The Schwab » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:44 pm

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tscheig wrote:When you see the migration of rural people to the more populated areas you have an issue with where to send your kids. Just in the Minot area, you have open enroll schools(districts) in DLB, Nedrose, and South Prairie. Those I know. I won't claim I know in the Glenburn, Surrey, Max or Velva. Now that we've covered all schools surrounding Minot. Kids have choices on where to go to school be it for academics or extracurricular activities. Its not an issue of what the NDSAA feels as being right on who wins what classification of sport. The Minot voters and the Minot school district chose not to build another HS. They were bailed out with SP and Nedrose choosing to build HS. With so many public schools needing renovation do to the fact that their current buildings were built in the 1960's and need repair. Why aren't we looking at redrawing the district lines? South Prairie brand new, but Max 11 miles to the south asks for over 5 million for new class rooms and a new heating system. Plaza, multimillion overhaul as they close down the school in Makoti. Berthold has a new multipurpose gym for PE and lunch room, 8 miles away DLB is building a 10-15 million dollar addition on to the school. Glenburn just built a new gym and Sawyer just closed and sends its kids to not Velva, Surrey, Nedrose or South Prairie but to Max. Is it time that towns come together and build schools to house mutiple districts?

Minot for example is surrounded by school districts and bedroom communities. When i look at Bismarck/Mandan. Mandan blocks Bis to the west but what other populated areas do they have to the north Wilton is 20 miles away to the east Menoken is 20 miles away. South is Lincoln but i believe belongs to Bis. Do Bismarck/Mandan school districts span that far into the rural areas?

Does the eastern part of the state do this right? with Central Cass, Northern Cass, Maple Valley, HCV? Should the western and northern areas be looking at this as well?

I was recently in Newburg, the home Of Bob Hunskor. I forgot how small that gym was. would loved to have been in there in the 80's and felt that environment. Its sad to see the dying of the small town. i graduated in 91. in my area i remember Tolley, Donnybrook, Carpio, Lansford, Sherwood, Upham, Granville, Willow City all having basketball teams. how many of those guys that played on those teams in the 80's now live in an "A" class town.


I've been saying this for about 7 years now, don't sports co-op! consolidate schools now you are committed to the future of those kids in that area


Come out to Southwestern North Dakota and tell parents that they should consolidate schools and their kids should drive 70 miles one way. Your idea may work on the eastern side of the state where there are towns every ten miles. We need to keep small towns alive in North Dakota, once a town's school shuts down the town will die off. I know how you feel about consolidation, but have you ever been through the process? If not, have you ever talked to people involved in the process? It can be a very heated topic and rightfully so. Those feelings never go away and cause bad blood between the communities of those schools that remain open and those that close.

"If you're committed to the future of those kids in that area". So we should all have schools that have 50+ kids in a class? Have you ever done any form of research on the highest performing schools in the state? They are more often than not, the smaller schools. Do you want your kids to just be a number? Or do you want teachers that can get to know your kids on an individual basis? Larger class sizes are not the answer. If you care about kids, keep small schools open.
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby winner-within » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:35 pm

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winner-within wrote:
tscheig wrote:When you see the migration of rural people to the more populated areas you have an issue with where to send your kids. Just in the Minot area, you have open enroll schools(districts) in DLB, Nedrose, and South Prairie. Those I know. I won't claim I know in the Glenburn, Surrey, Max or Velva. Now that we've covered all schools surrounding Minot. Kids have choices on where to go to school be it for academics or extracurricular activities. Its not an issue of what the NDSAA feels as being right on who wins what classification of sport. The Minot voters and the Minot school district chose not to build another HS. They were bailed out with SP and Nedrose choosing to build HS. With so many public schools needing renovation do to the fact that their current buildings were built in the 1960's and need repair. Why aren't we looking at redrawing the district lines? South Prairie brand new, but Max 11 miles to the south asks for over 5 million for new class rooms and a new heating system. Plaza, multimillion overhaul as they close down the school in Makoti. Berthold has a new multipurpose gym for PE and lunch room, 8 miles away DLB is building a 10-15 million dollar addition on to the school. Glenburn just built a new gym and Sawyer just closed and sends its kids to not Velva, Surrey, Nedrose or South Prairie but to Max. Is it time that towns come together and build schools to house mutiple districts?

Minot for example is surrounded by school districts and bedroom communities. When i look at Bismarck/Mandan. Mandan blocks Bis to the west but what other populated areas do they have to the north Wilton is 20 miles away to the east Menoken is 20 miles away. South is Lincoln but i believe belongs to Bis. Do Bismarck/Mandan school districts span that far into the rural areas?

Does the eastern part of the state do this right? with Central Cass, Northern Cass, Maple Valley, HCV? Should the western and northern areas be looking at this as well?

I was recently in Newburg, the home Of Bob Hunskor. I forgot how small that gym was. would loved to have been in there in the 80's and felt that environment. Its sad to see the dying of the small town. i graduated in 91. in my area i remember Tolley, Donnybrook, Carpio, Lansford, Sherwood, Upham, Granville, Willow City all having basketball teams. how many of those guys that played on those teams in the 80's now live in an "A" class town.


I've been saying this for about 7 years now, don't sports co-op! consolidate schools now you are committed to the future of those kids in that area


Come out to Southwestern North Dakota and tell parents that they should consolidate schools and their kids should drive 70 miles one way. Your idea may work on the eastern side of the state where there are towns every ten miles. We need to keep small towns alive in North Dakota, once a town's school shuts down the town will die off. I know how you feel about consolidation, but have you ever been through the process? If not, have you ever talked to people involved in the process? It can be a very heated topic and rightfully so. Those feelings never go away and cause bad blood between the communities of those schools that remain open and those that close.

"If you're committed to the future of those kids in that area". So we should all have schools that have 50+ kids in a class? Have you ever done any form of research on the highest performing schools in the state? They are more often than not, the smaller schools. Do you want your kids to just be a number? Or do you want teachers that can get to know your kids on an individual basis? Larger class sizes are not the answer. If you care about kids, keep small schools open.



I actually have been thru the process.....and now both of those schools are not only closed but have been demolished...and those 2 towns (that have few kids nowadays) are all going to one school 30 miles away....don't kid yourself the eastern part of the State is not much different than the west....maybe 20 miles off of the Red River then north and south you have some towns 10 miles apart but even many of those towns are dwindling fast, unless you are Grand forks and south, where towns benefit from the metro's

I think 50 is a great number and I think new schools are needed instead of old run down establishments that still stand because the property tax situation is still hanging in there and the funds are there....

you can't take away the inevitable by healing something along till boom, it breaks! and then nothing was thought out or talked about and your kids are going someplace you didn't even want them to go... or lets say, had it been reformed when the inevitable was foreseeable? well then you can make a plan.

even when thinking about a Watford City situation.....if 2 schools were built out there 30-40 miles apart of one another well than they wouldn't have the Class A situation they are facing......
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby theman » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:35 pm

winner-within wrote:
The Schwab wrote:
winner-within wrote:
tscheig wrote:When you see the migration of rural people to the more populated areas you have an issue with where to send your kids. Just in the Minot area, you have open enroll schools(districts) in DLB, Nedrose, and South Prairie. Those I know. I won't claim I know in the Glenburn, Surrey, Max or Velva. Now that we've covered all schools surrounding Minot. Kids have choices on where to go to school be it for academics or extracurricular activities. Its not an issue of what the NDSAA feels as being right on who wins what classification of sport. The Minot voters and the Minot school district chose not to build another HS. They were bailed out with SP and Nedrose choosing to build HS. With so many public schools needing renovation do to the fact that their current buildings were built in the 1960's and need repair. Why aren't we looking at redrawing the district lines? South Prairie brand new, but Max 11 miles to the south asks for over 5 million for new class rooms and a new heating system. Plaza, multimillion overhaul as they close down the school in Makoti. Berthold has a new multipurpose gym for PE and lunch room, 8 miles away DLB is building a 10-15 million dollar addition on to the school. Glenburn just built a new gym and Sawyer just closed and sends its kids to not Velva, Surrey, Nedrose or South Prairie but to Max. Is it time that towns come together and build schools to house mutiple districts?

Minot for example is surrounded by school districts and bedroom communities. When i look at Bismarck/Mandan. Mandan blocks Bis to the west but what other populated areas do they have to the north Wilton is 20 miles away to the east Menoken is 20 miles away. South is Lincoln but i believe belongs to Bis. Do Bismarck/Mandan school districts span that far into the rural areas?

Does the eastern part of the state do this right? with Central Cass, Northern Cass, Maple Valley, HCV? Should the western and northern areas be looking at this as well?

I was recently in Newburg, the home Of Bob Hunskor. I forgot how small that gym was. would loved to have been in there in the 80's and felt that environment. Its sad to see the dying of the small town. i graduated in 91. in my area i remember Tolley, Donnybrook, Carpio, Lansford, Sherwood, Upham, Granville, Willow City all having basketball teams. how many of those guys that played on those teams in the 80's now live in an "A" class town.


I've been saying this for about 7 years now, don't sports co-op! consolidate schools now you are committed to the future of those kids in that area


Come out to Southwestern North Dakota and tell parents that they should consolidate schools and their kids should drive 70 miles one way. Your idea may work on the eastern side of the state where there are towns every ten miles. We need to keep small towns alive in North Dakota, once a town's school shuts down the town will die off. I know how you feel about consolidation, but have you ever been through the process? If not, have you ever talked to people involved in the process? It can be a very heated topic and rightfully so. Those feelings never go away and cause bad blood between the communities of those schools that remain open and those that close.

"If you're committed to the future of those kids in that area". So we should all have schools that have 50+ kids in a class? Have you ever done any form of research on the highest performing schools in the state? They are more often than not, the smaller schools. Do you want your kids to just be a number? Or do you want teachers that can get to know your kids on an individual basis? Larger class sizes are not the answer. If you care about kids, keep small schools open.



I actually have been thru the process.....and now both of those schools are not only closed but have been demolished...and those 2 towns (that have few kids nowadays) are all going to one school 30 miles away....don't kid yourself the eastern part of the State is not much different than the west....maybe 20 miles off of the Red River then north and south you have some towns 10 miles apart but even many of those towns are dwindling fast, unless you are Grand forks and south, where towns benefit from the metro's

I think 50 is a great number and I think new schools are needed instead of old run down establishments that still stand because the property tax situation is still hanging in there and the funds are there....

you can't take away the inevitable by healing something along till boom, it breaks! and then nothing was thought out or talked about and your kids are going someplace you didn't even want them to go... or lets say, had it been reformed when the inevitable was foreseeable? well then you can make a plan.

even when thinking about a Watford City situation.....if 2 schools were built out there 30-40 miles apart of one another well than they wouldn't have the Class A situation they are facing......

You don't actually believe those words that you typed, do you? There's a huge difference between east and west in this state, and distance between towns of any size is one of them.
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby winner-within » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:10 pm

do a little research on Langdon area High School and how far kids are driving......the School is 60 miles from the ND/Minnesota Border and 270 from the ND/Montana Border....so I consider Langdon Eastern ND
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby leroybla » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:23 pm

In South Dakota, the football cooperative named North Border Titans (north and west of Aberdeen) consisted of Frederick, Leola, Eureka and Bowdle. It's 83 miles from Frederick to Bowdle. I believe they played their home games in Leola (62 miles from Bowdle to Leola). Likely practiced in Leola too.
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby OLDBBfAN » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:29 pm

How does the Watford City class A situation have anything to do with another school being 30-40 miles away. Williston is 40 miles away, Mandeere is 30 miles away, New Town in about 45 miles away. The population is not from the rural farming/ranching families. It is do to the city growing because of the oil field. I guess in your thinking they could just bus half the town population 30 miles to another school....then I guess they could stay class B.
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby winner-within » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:45 pm

OLDBBfAN wrote:How does the Watford City class A situation have anything to do with another school being 30-40 miles away. Williston is 40 miles away, Mandeere is 30 miles away, New Town in about 45 miles away. The population is not from the rural farming/ranching families. It is do to the city growing because of the oil field. I guess in your thinking they could just bus half the town population 30 miles to another school....then I guess they could stay class B.


I realize the town has grown by leaps and bounds and they saw that coming years ago....I am also certain there are kids coming from many miles away into WC for school

a school south of there (grassy Butte area) halfway between Killdeer and WC may have made a lot of sense to get started on 10-15 years back or so.....I've heard west and south of there a bit, some go to school in Sidney MT
I have seen when I was on the oil field that if the oil situation changes a town now has this big beautiful facility that isn't full anymore.......
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby The Schwab » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:05 pm

winner-within wrote:do a little research on Langdon area High School and how far kids are driving......the School is 60 miles from the ND/Minnesota Border and 270 from the ND/Montana Border....so I consider Langdon Eastern ND


Looking at the map I see that Langdon is 34 miles from Cavalier, 27 miles from Edmore, 28 miles from Munich. Divide that distance by 2 (assuming people who live in the exact middle of the two towns) I don't really consider 17 miles an insane distance to travel. Now if you're talking open-enrollment that's a whole different issue, if parents decide to send their children to school a greater distance via open enrollment then they must not be worried about travel.
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby B-oldtimer » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:04 pm

Edmore and Munich both coop with Langdon right now both of these school districts are quite huge in themselves in size of school districts. If you combine all three districts I think you would come up with about 2000 square miles these schools are taking kids from. This puts nearest schools on east of Cavalier and Walhalla, and nearest Schools on the west of Rolla and North Star, to the South its Lakota and Park River. The Distances from Cavalier and Walhalla to Rolla is between 95 and 105 miles and distance between Park river and Cando(North star) is about 80 miles and then distance between Langdon and Lakota is 52 miles and Edmore district gets within 16 to 18 miles of Lakota so you can see the distances are very far across. But Winner-within thinks he understands school closings and that schools need to be consolidated but he doesn't live with what it means to have to travel these long distances. Once you your in valley schools are still within reasonable driving distances of each other. If he had to deal with school merger where all the kids north of Grand Forks had to come to Grand Forks school and you put them on bus of 75 to 100 miles we will then talk. There would be whole new understanding of what rural parts of the state are dealing with. Like I say my mind has changed on this because size of school has nothing to do with quality of education. Technology today allows small schools ability to provide a education of very highest to their students and to have best in teaching staffs and curriculum in their schools.
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby winner-within » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:13 pm

was just in FHSP over the weekend and those kids drive a long long ways down a not so good road to maintain their co-op, same with Dakota Prairie and alot of other Class B schools in the State.....which has been my point in the latest debate of "the east does not travel near as far as to school and practice etc etc as the west" does.....so thank you B-oldtimer for the reinforcement.......
it is merely the Valley that has the least amount of travel...

all the schools in the country (not in any city limits) in ND IMO are successful.....so would Northern Cass be the latest one?

there is no easy fix and it will become more of a challenge as time goes on but the real rural ND Public school system has to be in the forefront as we speak..
consolidating districts, when it makes the most sense vs sports co-ops and band-aids has to be looked at...
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby The Schwab » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:57 am

winner-within wrote:was just in FHSP over the weekend and those kids drive a long long ways down a not so good road to maintain their co-op, same with Dakota Prairie and alot of other Class B schools in the State.....which has been my point in the latest debate of "the east does not travel near as far as to school and practice etc etc as the west" does.....so thank you B-oldtimer for the reinforcement.......
it is merely the Valley that has the least amount of travel...

all the schools in the country (not in any city limits) in ND IMO are successful.....so would Northern Cass be the latest one?

there is no easy fix and it will become more of a challenge as time goes on but the real rural ND Public school system has to be in the forefront as we speak..
consolidating districts, when it makes the most sense vs sports co-ops and band-aids has to be looked at...


I'm really unsure of what you are saying. You jump all over the place. You don't like the distance that FSHP kids travel for sports, but you want to consolidate districts and make every student travel that distance on a daily basis? You want to build schools in the middle of all the towns? Northern Cass is successful because it isn't very far from the towns of Hunter and Arthur. So we should build these super schools in the middle of a field somewhere between Michigan, Petersburg, Tolna, McVille and Aneta? Where are these teachers going to live? Should they drive 20 miles to work every day during the rough ND winters on these "not so nice roads" you speak of? Or better yet, should they live out in portable housing at the school?

There has been mention of all of these schools getting renovations and how it's not a good idea. My response, go visit Wyoming, go see how a state that handles its oil revenue correctly handles things. They put all of their money in the school districts, they have 4 classes of athletics and they don't have co-ops.
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby winner-within » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:40 am

The Schwab wrote:
winner-within wrote:was just in FHSP over the weekend and those kids drive a long long ways down a not so good road to maintain their co-op, same with Dakota Prairie and alot of other Class B schools in the State.....which has been my point in the latest debate of "the east does not travel near as far as to school and practice etc etc as the west" does.....so thank you B-oldtimer for the reinforcement.......
it is merely the Valley that has the least amount of travel...

all the schools in the country (not in any city limits) in ND IMO are successful.....so would Northern Cass be the latest one?

there is no easy fix and it will become more of a challenge as time goes on but the real rural ND Public school system has to be in the forefront as we speak..
consolidating districts, when it makes the most sense vs sports co-ops and band-aids has to be looked at...




I'm really unsure of what you are saying. You jump all over the place. You don't like the distance that FSHP kids travel for sports, but you want to consolidate districts and make every student travel that distance on a daily basis? You want to build schools in the middle of all the towns? Northern Cass is successful because it isn't very far from the towns of Hunter and Arthur. So we should build these super schools in the middle of a field somewhere between Michigan, Petersburg, Tolna, McVille and Aneta? Where are these teachers going to live? Should they drive 20 miles to work every day during the rough ND winters on these "not so nice roads" you speak of? Or better yet, should they live out in portable housing at the school?

There has been mention of all of these schools getting renovations and how it's not a good idea. My response, go visit Wyoming, go see how a state that handles its oil revenue correctly handles things. They put all of their money in the school districts, they have 4 classes of athletics and they don't have co-ops.


yep, build the School along a well established State Hwy with shoulders (or renovate the best and most centrally located facility in the consolidation) not a county black top or old State hwy with no shoulders.....and 20 miles is chicken feed for an adult teacher.. unlike 20 to 30 miles for a 16 year old with his little bro and sis with in the car....spend the money on the right things....transportation and school buildings!!
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby leroybla » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:55 am

The problem I see with "country" schools is that no student, teacher, administrator or staff member walks to school. All must be bussed or provide their own transportation. No town's real estate values benefit from having a "country" school quite having one that's walkable. Country schools are the product of compromise and I guess that's how it has to be.
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Postby winner-within » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:26 pm

leroybla wrote:The problem I see with "country" schools is that no student, teacher, administrator or staff member walks to school. All must be bussed or provide their own transportation. No town's real estate values benefit from having a "country" school quite having one that's walkable. Country schools are the product of compromise and I guess that's how it has to be.


yep, only works in certain scenarios but more scenarios than we think...

think of how evolution in "how population disbursement" has changed in ND

-we have more people in our State than we did in 1940 to 1960
-back there were 200 people in a township that now has 10 people living in that same township
-there were rural schools some walked to them (uphill both ways) some took horse and sleigh etc etc
-now we have everyone living in town or for the most part in big Cities
-but we still have all the townships all the counties we had then and we have some schools with every child from one county, let alone township, going to one school (usually the county seat) and they are still 145 students away from being ---Class A.......isn't this a little mind boggling?

Farms won't get smaller.....People are not moving back out to these townships.....so planning for the future (once again) of the ND Public School system in the vast majority of our total landscape 80% Ill use....has to be at the forefront....to me it seems, it is pieced together and treated as a "well this will take us to the next 4-5 years"

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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby The Schwab » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:50 pm

winner-within wrote:
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winner-within wrote:was just in FHSP over the weekend and those kids drive a long long ways down a not so good road to maintain their co-op, same with Dakota Prairie and alot of other Class B schools in the State.....which has been my point in the latest debate of "the east does not travel near as far as to school and practice etc etc as the west" does.....so thank you B-oldtimer for the reinforcement.......
it is merely the Valley that has the least amount of travel...

all the schools in the country (not in any city limits) in ND IMO are successful.....so would Northern Cass be the latest one?

there is no easy fix and it will become more of a challenge as time goes on but the real rural ND Public school system has to be in the forefront as we speak..
consolidating districts, when it makes the most sense vs sports co-ops and band-aids has to be looked at...




I'm really unsure of what you are saying. You jump all over the place. You don't like the distance that FSHP kids travel for sports, but you want to consolidate districts and make every student travel that distance on a daily basis? You want to build schools in the middle of all the towns? Northern Cass is successful because it isn't very far from the towns of Hunter and Arthur. So we should build these super schools in the middle of a field somewhere between Michigan, Petersburg, Tolna, McVille and Aneta? Where are these teachers going to live? Should they drive 20 miles to work every day during the rough ND winters on these "not so nice roads" you speak of? Or better yet, should they live out in portable housing at the school?

There has been mention of all of these schools getting renovations and how it's not a good idea. My response, go visit Wyoming, go see how a state that handles its oil revenue correctly handles things. They put all of their money in the school districts, they have 4 classes of athletics and they don't have co-ops.


yep, build the School along a well established State Hwy with shoulders (or renovate the best and most centrally located facility in the consolidation) not a county black top or old State hwy with no shoulders.....and 20 miles is chicken feed for an adult teacher.. unlike 20 to 30 miles for a 16 year old with his little bro and sis with in the car....spend the money on the right things....transportation and school buildings!!
like Wyoming....


I honestly think I have to stop talking to you about education. It's is obvious that you have done zero research into how children's brains work and the effect travel time to and from school impacts student success. I am really glad that you aren't in-charge of our educational system.
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby winner-within » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:58 pm

The Schwab wrote:
winner-within wrote:
The Schwab wrote:
winner-within wrote:was just in FHSP over the weekend and those kids drive a long long ways down a not so good road to maintain their co-op, same with Dakota Prairie and alot of other Class B schools in the State.....which has been my point in the latest debate of "the east does not travel near as far as to school and practice etc etc as the west" does.....so thank you B-oldtimer for the reinforcement.......
it is merely the Valley that has the least amount of travel...

all the schools in the country (not in any city limits) in ND IMO are successful.....so would Northern Cass be the latest one?

there is no easy fix and it will become more of a challenge as time goes on but the real rural ND Public school system has to be in the forefront as we speak..
consolidating districts, when it makes the most sense vs sports co-ops and band-aids has to be looked at...




I'm really unsure of what you are saying. You jump all over the place. You don't like the distance that FSHP kids travel for sports, but you want to consolidate districts and make every student travel that distance on a daily basis? You want to build schools in the middle of all the towns? Northern Cass is successful because it isn't very far from the towns of Hunter and Arthur. So we should build these super schools in the middle of a field somewhere between Michigan, Petersburg, Tolna, McVille and Aneta? Where are these teachers going to live? Should they drive 20 miles to work every day during the rough ND winters on these "not so nice roads" you speak of? Or better yet, should they live out in portable housing at the school?

There has been mention of all of these schools getting renovations and how it's not a good idea. My response, go visit Wyoming, go see how a state that handles its oil revenue correctly handles things. They put all of their money in the school districts, they have 4 classes of athletics and they don't have co-ops.


yep, build the School along a well established State Hwy with shoulders (or renovate the best and most centrally located facility in the consolidation) not a county black top or old State hwy with no shoulders.....and 20 miles is chicken feed for an adult teacher.. unlike 20 to 30 miles for a 16 year old with his little bro and sis with in the car....spend the money on the right things....transportation and school buildings!!
like Wyoming....


I honestly think I have to stop talking to you about education. It's is obvious that you have done zero research into how children's brains work and the effect travel time to and from school impacts student success. I am really glad that you aren't in-charge of our educational system.


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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby B-oldtimer » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:50 pm

Schwab I am glad you speak up on problems of consolidation of schools. My kids are now done with public school but I remember long bus rides our children had to do for our local school and now they even want to consolidate the schools more. When my children got on bus in morning about 1/4 past seven in morning and didn't get off the bus to little before 5 in afternoon. This was when they were in kindergarten through 4 grade it meant your child put in 10 hour day going to school. Even the teachers were not putting that kind of day into school. I know that kids were even putting bigger days else where in the state so we were not unusual. This is hard on kids because your not even talking about home work after you get home and some down time of playing and getting them fed and then to sleep to start it all over. Then you start when kids get involved in activities are further bused being part of coop. Once they reached the Junior high our kids left home around 7.30 in morning to didn't return home until 7.30 to 8.00 in the evening. This was just for practicing and on game nights we had nights where we didn't reach home until as late as 11.30 to midnight while still going to school everyday. This is why we have lack of participation and I am sure has effect on the education of children. This goes to a lot of my arguments that I have about school activities because we need to think of kids to make it fun and still be able to get education. These activities were originally designed to keep our kids doing activity that was fun and learning to work together as group. It was not meant to be a feeder program for colleges or us parents to live our child hoods over again. ( I can say I may have been guilty at times of this but thanks to wise wife I have learned.) Technology now allows schools to be able to offer top education even when your small school the idea you need to have this large school is thinking in the past for rural schools. The next thing we need to do is change what we need in brick and mortar we are still trying to build schools like they were 50 to 60 years ago. Now a school needs to partner in community sharing space and combining there resources so the cost of replace a school and modernizing a school is not so costly. Also the cost of educating kids in rural areas are going to be more costly but its cost to have were going to have quality of life with our families here in rural ND. Also the state is going to have to come to that realization if were going to have quality people driving engine that creates large portion of this states wealth now and into the future.
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby winner-within » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:26 pm

B-oldtimer wrote:When my children got on bus in morning about 1/4 past seven in morning and didn't get off the bus to little before 5 in afternoon. This was when they were in kindergarten through 4 grade it meant your child put in 10 hour day going to school. Even the teachers were not putting that kind of day into school. I know that kids were even putting bigger days else where in the state so we were not unusual. This is hard on kids because your not even talking about home work after you get home and some down time of playing and getting them fed and then to sleep to start it all over. Then you start when kids get involved in activities are further bused being part of coop. Once they reached the Junior high our kids left home around 7.30 in morning to didn't return home until 7.30 to 8.00 in the evening. This was just for practicing and on game nights we had nights where we didn't reach home until as late as 11.30 to midnight while still going to school everyday.



are these days gone for all the kids now because of non-consolidation and technology?

we lived three miles from town....on the short bus route we were off in 15 minutes.....on the long bus route we rode for over and hour.....40 years ago....not much has changed except nowadays they aren't riding the bus as much and there might be 3 cars from the same family in town or at the school....

sports are the same now as they were then, very competitive like it should be and some have future goals like some did then, many many many kids played at the next level from the 70's, 80's 90's, and till now.....I ran my race but all kids in this State have to have a chance to run theirs too

I don't speak of consolidation so one can travel more....I speak of consolidation so there is more input from more tax payers to that facility and less administration with the highest quality and understanding of the times and future.....
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby Flip » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:40 pm

Lets say the next Jeff Boschee comes along and gets selected for the McDonald's All American game. Lets also assume he's a good baseball player. Does he have to choose between playing baseball his senior year and playing in the McDonald's All American game?
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby Baller » Tue May 01, 2018 1:48 pm

I believe he can do both. He just can't play baseball during baseball season but he can play in another basketball game during baseball season. Kids play volleyball all spring while competing in track in soccer
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby d_fense » Thu May 03, 2018 12:04 pm

Flip wrote:Lets say the next Jeff Boschee comes along and gets selected for the McDonald's All American game. Lets also assume he's a good baseball player. Does he have to choose between playing baseball his senior year and playing in the McDonald's All American game?


Flip, I didn't get the point of your question. Then I looked at the title of the topic, and it fits. I see no reason someone couldn't do both. He would just have to decide if he was willing to miss some of his baseball season. This would have been the perfect spring to have it happen as he would have likely not missed a thing.
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby Flip » Thu May 03, 2018 1:10 pm

This was sent to me in a PM and I've heard other posters talk about it too.
NDHSAA has rules regarding all star game. 180 day ineligible for playing in an all-star game. That is why you see these "senior" all star games played during the summer. 180 days doesn't matter anymore.
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Re: Random questions/posts thread

Postby Baller » Thu May 03, 2018 3:05 pm

Flip wrote:This was sent to me in a PM and I've heard other posters talk about it too.
NDHSAA has rules regarding all star game. 180 day ineligible for playing in an all-star game. That is why you see these "senior" all star games played during the summer. 180 days doesn't matter anymore.


"Students who have participated in athletics representing a member school and who have
not yet graduated from high school shall not compete on an "all-star" team, or in an "allstar"
game, contest, or meet during the school year in sports sponsored by the Association.
An "all-star" team includes, but is not limited to, the Shrine All-Star Football Teams, the
Lions All-Star Basketball Teams, and the Optimists All-Star Volleyball Teams. Violation
of this regulation shall result in loss of eligibility of the student for a period of one year from
the date of the last violation. Nothing in this regulation shall prohibit any student from
participating as an unattached individual or as a member of a non-school team in these
sports during the off-season for that sport in the school term, providing the contest is not
“all-star" in character. (Jan. 2008)"

This is interesting. I wonder if schools could apply for a waiver??
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