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NDHSAA Considering Three Classes.......but

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 11:39 am
by heimer
400 and up
150-399
149 and below.

Until you get the privates out of the small-school game, it won't work.

http://www.inforum.com/sports/4453050-n ... volleyball

Re: NDHSAA Considering Three Classes.......but

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 12:46 pm
by Flip
Heard about the Wahpeton proposal in April. I still believe most of the private schools will opt up. I like the idea of not allowing opt downs too. We'll be 3 classes eventually IMO, I'm just not sure how long it will take.

Re: NDHSAA Considering Three Classes.......but

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 1:32 pm
by ndlionsfan
I think it's a good start and hopefully the NDHSAA will give it an honest consideration. I could see a couple co-ops dissolving to stay in B and like Flip said I believe most private schools will opt up.

Re: NDHSAA Considering Three Classes.......but

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 4:03 pm
by scc
Let it fail.

Re: NDHSAA Considering Three Classes.......but

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 5:41 pm
by d_fense
scc wrote:Let it fail.

Why will it fail.?

Re: NDHSAA Considering Three Classes.......but

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 7:10 pm
by heimer
d_fense wrote:
scc wrote:Let it fail.

Why will it fail.?


Doncha know? Dey had it right back in dah old country when dey first invented da basketball

Re: NDHSAA Considering Three Classes.......but

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:48 am
by packers21
I don’t think the privates would opt up and any proposal without all of them in the middle class shouldn’t and won’t pass.

Re: NDHSAA Considering Three Classes.......but

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:41 am
by Flip
packers21 wrote:I don’t think the privates would opt up and any proposal without all of them in the middle class shouldn’t and won’t pass.

based on what?

Re: NDHSAA Considering Three Classes.......but

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:24 pm
by packers21
Flip wrote:
packers21 wrote:I don’t think the privates would opt up and any proposal without all of them in the middle class shouldn’t and won’t pass.

based on what?


Based on they don’t all opt up in football

Re: NDHSAA Considering Three Classes.......but

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:22 am
by Flip
With that logic maybe they'll all opt up because some do in football. But anyway, I don't think Shiloh not opting to 11 man will have much effect on Trinity, Ryan, or OG's potential decision. Take a look at the private schools non district or non region schedule. It kind of tells you who they want to be playing.

Re: NDHSAA Considering Three Classes.......but

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:36 am
by ndlionsfan
Flip wrote:With that logic maybe they'll all opt up because some do in football. But anyway, I don't think Shiloh not opting to 11 man will have much effect on Trinity, Ryan, or OG's potential decision. Take a look at the private schools non district or non region schedule. It kind of tells you who they want to be playing.


I agree. Williston Trinity will not opt up and I don't believe ORCS will either. I can definitely see DT, Shiloh, and OG going up as well as Shanley to AA. Ryan is an interesting one. Won't be a lot of A schools in their area so much so travel may be an issue.

Re: NDHSAA Considering Three Classes.......but

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:38 pm
by Mandan
Here is a link to the full proposal, including how the classes would be grouped before any opt-ups.

https://ndhsaa.com/files/2017_18_Board_ ... tem_10.pdf

Re: NDHSAA Considering Three Classes.......but

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:42 pm
by spins
privates need their own class.

Re: NDHSAA Considering Three Classes.......but

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:59 pm
by Mandan
spins wrote:privates need their own class.


There are 8 private schools in North Dakota. That isn't enough for their own class.

Re: NDHSAA Considering Three Classes.......but

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:41 am
by spins
Mandan wrote:
spins wrote:privates need their own class.


There are 8 private schools in North Dakota. That isn't enough for their own class.



Yes it is.

Re: NDHSAA Considering Three Classes.......but

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:30 am
by Flip
Regardless, the chances the privates end up in the same class are less than the USMNT winning the 2018 World Cup.

Re: NDHSAA Considering Three Classes.......but

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:42 pm
by B Historian
This plan would be a disaster. If there are going to be three classes then the A/B cutoff needs to be at about 120 so 1) most of the private schools end up in the middle class and 2) the middle class has 38-40 teams in it.

Re: NDHSAA Considering Three Classes.......but

PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:03 pm
by classB4ever
B Historian wrote:This plan would be a disaster. If there are going to be three classes then the A/B cutoff needs to be at about 120 so 1) most of the private schools end up in the middle class and 2) the middle class has 38-40 teams in it.


Tough one. Personally, I think the 150 is about right. What do you think about this: Use a 1.5 multiplier if a team is located in a large town and has been in a region championship game or state tournament in either of the past 2 years.

After reading many articles on how other states are handling classifications, this seems to be the most equitable and gaining traction. The idea is based on 2 premises: 1. Private/parochial schools have 35%-50% higher participation rates in extracurricular activities than public schools. 2. Success seems to be the driving factor for the discussion, so this allows mobility back and forth between classifications.

I will honestly admit that ND's landscape is not like many other states when it comes to athletics. Not much traffic on preps, so just something to start a conversation.