Flip wrote:Does Shiloh want to play them?
Sniper wrote:If Shiloh would rather travel farther to play better teams (usually other privates or bigger class B schools) that would still prove my point. They are traveling farther because they want their games to be against better more competitive opponents. Very similar to teams traveling farther to play against less talented teams where the game is more competitive.
Flip wrote:Sniper wrote:If Shiloh would rather travel farther to play better teams (usually other privates or bigger class B schools) that would still prove my point. They are traveling farther because they want their games to be against better more competitive opponents. Very similar to teams traveling farther to play against less talented teams where the game is more competitive.
This is why I believe most of the private schools would opt up to the middle class in a 3 class system.
Sniper wrote:Flip wrote:Sniper wrote:If Shiloh would rather travel farther to play better teams (usually other privates or bigger class B schools) that would still prove my point. They are traveling farther because they want their games to be against better more competitive opponents. Very similar to teams traveling farther to play against less talented teams where the game is more competitive.
This is why I believe most of the private schools would opt up to the middle class in a 3 class system.
I think they probably would opt up but I would not want them to have the option to not opt up. Rather just have them play one class ahead of where their enrollment places them.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:Sniper wrote:Flip wrote:Sniper wrote:If Shiloh would rather travel farther to play better teams (usually other privates or bigger class B schools) that would still prove my point. They are traveling farther because they want their games to be against better more competitive opponents. Very similar to teams traveling farther to play against less talented teams where the game is more competitive.
This is why I believe most of the private schools would opt up to the middle class in a 3 class system.
I think they probably would opt up but I would not want them to have the option to not opt up. Rather just have them play one class ahead of where their enrollment places them.
Pretty sure all of them would be in that middle class...but what do you do with the one outlier (Williston Trinity Christian)? They only have roughly 50 kids and their girls program is a coop...
Sniper wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:Sniper wrote:Flip wrote:Sniper wrote:If Shiloh would rather travel farther to play better teams (usually other privates or bigger class B schools) that would still prove my point. They are traveling farther because they want their games to be against better more competitive opponents. Very similar to teams traveling farther to play against less talented teams where the game is more competitive.
This is why I believe most of the private schools would opt up to the middle class in a 3 class system.
I think they probably would opt up but I would not want them to have the option to not opt up. Rather just have them play one class ahead of where their enrollment places them.
Pretty sure all of them would be in that middle class...but what do you do with the one outlier (Williston Trinity Christian)? They only have roughly 50 kids and their girls program is a coop...
Williston Trinity Christian is in a bad spot, but there is no plan that will make everyone happy. They are definitely getting the short end of the stick in this scenario but a ton of teams are getting that right now by having to compete with the privates in post season play.
spins wrote:Sniper wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:Sniper wrote:Flip wrote:Sniper wrote:If Shiloh would rather travel farther to play better teams (usually other privates or bigger class B schools) that would still prove my point. They are traveling farther because they want their games to be against better more competitive opponents. Very similar to teams traveling farther to play against less talented teams where the game is more competitive.
This is why I believe most of the private schools would opt up to the middle class in a 3 class system.
I think they probably would opt up but I would not want them to have the option to not opt up. Rather just have them play one class ahead of where their enrollment places them.
Pretty sure all of them would be in that middle class...but what do you do with the one outlier (Williston Trinity Christian)? They only have roughly 50 kids and their girls program is a coop...
Williston Trinity Christian is in a bad spot, but there is no plan that will make everyone happy. They are definitely getting the short end of the stick in this scenario but a ton of teams are getting that right now by having to compete with the privates in post season play.
Does anyone have any opinions on why Williston is not a great basketball program? Its the only private in the state that doesn't have a great basketball program.
Sniper wrote:I think they probably would opt up but I would not want them to have the option to not opt up. Rather just have them play one class ahead of where their enrollment places them.
Flip wrote:Sniper wrote:I think they probably would opt up but I would not want them to have the option to not opt up. Rather just have them play one class ahead of where their enrollment places them.
What plan would you prefer?
2 Class or 3 Class based on enrollments, but you allowed teams to opt up.
spins wrote:Sniper wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:Sniper wrote:Flip wrote:Sniper wrote:If Shiloh would rather travel farther to play better teams (usually other privates or bigger class B schools) that would still prove my point. They are traveling farther because they want their games to be against better more competitive opponents. Very similar to teams traveling farther to play against less talented teams where the game is more competitive.
This is why I believe most of the private schools would opt up to the middle class in a 3 class system.
I think they probably would opt up but I would not want them to have the option to not opt up. Rather just have them play one class ahead of where their enrollment places them.
Pretty sure all of them would be in that middle class...but what do you do with the one outlier (Williston Trinity Christian)? They only have roughly 50 kids and their girls program is a coop...
Williston Trinity Christian is in a bad spot, but there is no plan that will make everyone happy. They are definitely getting the short end of the stick in this scenario but a ton of teams are getting that right now by having to compete with the privates in post season play.
Does anyone have any opinions on why Williston is not a great basketball program? Its the only private in the state that doesn't have a great basketball program.
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classB4ever wrote:An outside the box idea to assist a 3 class system would be to allow JV teams from existing Class A schools to play in the middle class. Could gain another 8+ teams and remove some borderline schools on the bottom side of middle class enrollment. This would also help with participation in the larger towns, create easier scheduling and ease travel issues. Heimer brought this up a while back and think it has some merit.
NDPREP wrote:classB4ever wrote:An outside the box idea to assist a 3 class system would be to allow JV teams from existing Class A schools to play in the middle class. Could gain another 8+ teams and remove some borderline schools on the bottom side of middle class enrollment. This would also help with participation in the larger towns, create easier scheduling and ease travel issues. Heimer brought this up a while back and think it has some merit.
This is kind of what Legion baseball is doing and it is honestly not fun to watch that middle class at all. Makes the middle class irrelevant from a fan perspective, just my opinion though. Leave the Class A schools in Class A.
classB4ever wrote:An outside the box idea to assist a 3 class system would be to allow JV teams from existing Class A schools to play in the middle class. Could gain another 8+ teams and remove some borderline schools on the bottom side of middle class enrollment. This would also help with participation in the larger towns, create easier scheduling and ease travel issues. Heimer brought this up a while back and think it has some merit.
Sniper wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:Sniper wrote:Flip wrote:Sniper wrote:If Shiloh would rather travel farther to play better teams (usually other privates or bigger class B schools) that would still prove my point. They are traveling farther because they want their games to be against better more competitive opponents. Very similar to teams traveling farther to play against less talented teams where the game is more competitive.
This is why I believe most of the private schools would opt up to the middle class in a 3 class system.
I think they probably would opt up but I would not want them to have the option to not opt up. Rather just have them play one class ahead of where their enrollment places them.
Pretty sure all of them would be in that middle class...but what do you do with the one outlier (Williston Trinity Christian)? They only have roughly 50 kids and their girls program is a coop...
Williston Trinity Christian is in a bad spot, but there is no plan that will make everyone happy. They are definitely getting the short end of the stick in this scenario but a ton of teams are getting that right now by having to compete with the privates in post season play.
B Historian wrote:Sniper wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:Sniper wrote:Flip wrote:Sniper wrote:If Shiloh would rather travel farther to play better teams (usually other privates or bigger class B schools) that would still prove my point. They are traveling farther because they want their games to be against better more competitive opponents. Very similar to teams traveling farther to play against less talented teams where the game is more competitive.
This is why I believe most of the private schools would opt up to the middle class in a 3 class system.
I think they probably would opt up but I would not want them to have the option to not opt up. Rather just have them play one class ahead of where their enrollment places them.
Pretty sure all of them would be in that middle class...but what do you do with the one outlier (Williston Trinity Christian)? They only have roughly 50 kids and their girls program is a coop...
Williston Trinity Christian is in a bad spot, but there is no plan that will make everyone happy. They are definitely getting the short end of the stick in this scenario but a ton of teams are getting that right now by having to compete with the privates in post season play.
Forcing all privates up a class in basketball is simply not going to happen in ND. A three class system done right would have four of the six current Class B programs already in the middle class while giving the two smaller schools (Our Redeemer's and Trinity Christian) the ability to opt up. If they chose not to there isn't going to be new rules put in place over two schools.
I don't get the complaining about private schools while everyone seems to ignore the fact that the big public Class B schools are what is causing the most imbalance in the current system.
The current top two schools in the Class B poll both have multiple players on their roster that are children of former Class B standouts. The parents were not raised in these communities but have chosen Class B school districts close to the large population centers for the small school experience. This situation is really prevalent in the eastern part of the state and is creating a real competitive imbalance. I think everyone realizes it probably just a matter of time until Nedrose and/or South Prairie become basketball powerhouses due to the same factors.
There is also an imbalance created by open enrollment. Northern Cass sends buses each day outside of its own district boundaries which in turn picks off a few kids from neighboring school districts to pad the enrollment. It's not just the private schools that operate without borders.
The Schwab wrote:B Historian wrote:Sniper wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:Sniper wrote:Flip wrote:Sniper wrote:If Shiloh would rather travel farther to play better teams (usually other privates or bigger class B schools) that would still prove my point. They are traveling farther because they want their games to be against better more competitive opponents. Very similar to teams traveling farther to play against less talented teams where the game is more competitive.
This is why I believe most of the private schools would opt up to the middle class in a 3 class system.
I think they probably would opt up but I would not want them to have the option to not opt up. Rather just have them play one class ahead of where their enrollment places them.
Pretty sure all of them would be in that middle class...but what do you do with the one outlier (Williston Trinity Christian)? They only have roughly 50 kids and their girls program is a coop...
Williston Trinity Christian is in a bad spot, but there is no plan that will make everyone happy. They are definitely getting the short end of the stick in this scenario but a ton of teams are getting that right now by having to compete with the privates in post season play.
Forcing all privates up a class in basketball is simply not going to happen in ND. A three class system done right would have four of the six current Class B programs already in the middle class while giving the two smaller schools (Our Redeemer's and Trinity Christian) the ability to opt up. If they chose not to there isn't going to be new rules put in place over two schools.
I don't get the complaining about private schools while everyone seems to ignore the fact that the big public Class B schools are what is causing the most imbalance in the current system.
The current top two schools in the Class B poll both have multiple players on their roster that are children of former Class B standouts. The parents were not raised in these communities but have chosen Class B school districts close to the large population centers for the small school experience. This situation is really prevalent in the eastern part of the state and is creating a real competitive imbalance. I think everyone realizes it probably just a matter of time until Nedrose and/or South Prairie become basketball powerhouses due to the same factors.
There is also an imbalance created by open enrollment. Northern Cass sends buses each day outside of its own district boundaries which in turn picks off a few kids from neighboring school districts to pad the enrollment. It's not just the private schools that operate without borders.
People in Region 5 and Region 7 may tend to disagree with you on that statement. I agree with you that your big class B schools are causing the majority of the imbalance in the system in the other parts of the state. The sad fact of the matter is there won't be a change to three classes, NDHSAA is completely against it and a lot of schools now won't vote for any plan that doesn't help them individually. You will see a lot more co-ops just to be competitive.
The Schwab wrote:Yes Dickinson Trinity has only made 4 appearances at state the past 11 years, but they've played in the championship game 6 of the other 7 years. It's Region 7, but I know what you mean with those schools.
B Historian wrote:
I really think that if the private schools like Trinity, Ryan, Oak Grove and Shiloh didn't exist and Class B was instead completely dominated by the big public schools, there would be limited complaints about the current system.
ndlionsfan wrote:Yes, that is correct about Shiloh in Region 5 but does that give more merit to a 3 class system then?
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