3 class system

[Flip]

I'm all in a three class system. Their a total of 8 regions and these ones that won't change at all R1, R5, R6, R7. In both girls & boys basketball. That's half of the regions with the same teams. I for one want something different. If they don't propose a three class system. Then they should just have two classes for football as well.

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[Sorenson23]

Region 1 - Kindred
Region 5 - Shiloh Christian
Region 6 - Bishop Ryan or Rugby
Region 7 - Dickinson Trinity

The only region I really know is region 5.

[classB4ever]

After looking at Heimer's idea and combining his with my own thoughts.

If you are under 150 in your high school you play class B unless your city has a taxable valuation of over 4 million.

If you are between 150 and 400 in your high school you play class A

If you are over 400 in your high school you play class AA

I like this. Maybe a small tweak:

75 - 149 you play class B unless your city has a taxable valuation of over 4m.
<75 you play class B.

This would solve some problems being discussed. 2 cents.

[The Schwab]

After looking at Heimer's idea and combining his with my own thoughts.

If you are under 150 in your high school you play class B unless your city has a taxable valuation of over 4 million.

If you are between 150 and 400 in your high school you play class A

If you are over 400 in your high school you play class AA

I like this. Maybe a small tweak:

75 - 149 you play class B unless your city has a taxable valuation of over 4m.
<75 you play class B.

Lower your number to under 50 you play class B and we have a compromise!

This would solve some problems being discussed. 2 cents.

[classB4ever]

75 - 149 you play class B unless your city has a taxable valuation of over 4m.
<75 you play class B.

Lower your number to under 50 you play class B and we have a compromise!

So, saying <75 would play class b essentially goes with a x2 multiplier for a private school (74 x 2 < 150 or B cutoff). Believe any school that small, no matter where they are located, should be in lowest class. It is highly likely they will be a very strong team in that division, but would be a reasonable compromise IMO.

[The Schwab]

I don't know what the exact enrollments of private schools are, I can't find them. I will try to use the football plan guidelines and multiply that number by two. I will only use the schools that are currently in Class B:

Fargo Oak Grove- 178
Bismarck Shiloh Christian- 134
Dickinson Trinity- 124
Minot Bishop Ryan- 112
Williston Trinity Christian- 46
Minot Our Reedemers- 44

With the under 50 enrollment number both of those private schools in question would be in the small class. So I would say that would be a good compromise. I would stick to my plan. If your school is under 50 you're in the small class.

[classB4ever]

I don't know what the exact enrollments of private schools are, I can't find them. I will try to use the football plan guidelines and multiply that number by two. I will only use the schools that are currently in Class B:

Fargo Oak Grove- 178
Bismarck Shiloh Christian- 134
Dickinson Trinity- 124
Minot Bishop Ryan- 112
Williston Trinity Christian- 46
Minot Our Reedemers- 44

With the under 50 enrollment number both of those private schools in question would be in the small class. So I would say that would be a good compromise. I would stick to my plan. If your school is under 50 you're in the small class.

Good info. Agreed.

[Thundersnow]

Trinity Christian definitely belongs in the smallest class. Our Redeemer's had a nice run for a couple of years but they seem to have come back to the pack now. I think 75 would be a better cutoff number than 50.

Using tax numbers for classifying high school sports programs is an intriguing idea. Has any other state done anything similarly or would this plan be the first of its kind nationwide?

[Flip]

Using tax numbers for classifying high school sports programs is an intriguing idea. Has any other state done anything similarly or would this plan be the first of its kind nationwide?

I think the only plan that ever gets passed will be based off enrollment. Maybe they add a free and reduced meals calculation to it.

[classB4ever]

Brought this back from a while back. Just for discussion purposes since traffic is so slow.

After reading a number of posts in various threads, it seems that district tournaments are quite popular. The setup discussed in the above thread, 3 class (AA, A & B) would certainly generate a good district tournament atmosphere on the B side. If money is a reason to keep them, think about having 9-10 teams back in these district tourneys. Also, look at the A region tourneys and the type of hype (money) they would generate. Would assume those regionals would be double elim. Not so sure there wouldn't be some tv deals for those A region tourneys. As for the combined A & B state tourney, have to believe it would be a big hit.

East Region (3:1)
West Fargo High School 1458
West Fargo Sheyenne High School 1285
Fargo Davies High School 1261
Grand Forks Red River 1071
Fargo South High School 1034
Grand Forks Central 1020
Fargo North High School 898
Devils Lake Firebirds 476
Shanley High School 0

West Region (3.6:1)
Minot High School 1900
Bismarck Century High School 1252
Bismarck Legacy High School 1189
Williston High School 1166
Bismarck High School 1145
Mandan High School 1033
Dickinson 945
Jamestown High School 665
Turtle Mountain Comm HS 529
Bismarck St. Mary's 0

Region 1A (2.8:1)
Valley City High School 339
Wahpeton High School 333
Central Cass High School 227
Kindred High School 200
Lisbon High School 178
Northern Cass High School 162
Milnor/North Sargent 140
Oak Grove High School 123

Region 2A (2:1)
Grafton Spoilers 268
Four Winds/Minnewaukan 231
Hillsboro/Central Valley 213
Langdon Area/Edmore/Munich 176
May-Port CG HS 153
Carrington High School 148
Park River/Fordville-Lankin 143
Thompson High School 132

Region 3A (3.6:1)
Watford City 387
Bottineau High School 195
Stanley High School 192
Dunseith High School 190
Harvey/Wells County 181
Des Lacs-Burlington HS 175
Rugby High School 166
Bishop Ryan High School 109

Region 4A (1.9:1)
New Town High School 261
Beulah High School 201
Standing Rock Community High School 200
Hazen High School 174
Heart River 174
Dickinson Trinity High School 150
Killdeer High School 142
Shiloh Christian High School 140

Region 1 B (2.6:1)
Oakes High School 138
Edgeley/Kulm/Montpelier 133
Wyndmere/Lidgerwood 131
LaMoure-Litchville/Marion 119
Linton/HMB Lions 117
Kidder County High School 115
Napoleon/G-S Imperials 101
Ellendale High School 95
South Border Mustangs 91
Barnes County North High School 84
Medina-Pingree/Buchanan 83
Enderlin High School 82
Richland High School 79
Hankinson High School 76
Finley-Sharon/Hope Page 74
Maple Valley High School 61
Sargent Central High School 59
Strasburg/Zeeland 54
Tri-State: Fairmount-Campbell-Tintah-Rosholt 0

Region 2B (2.6:1)
Cavalier High School 129
Hatton/Northwood 125
Midway/Minto 122
St. John High School 121
Drayton/Valley-Edinburg 113
North Border 110
Larimore High School 109
TGU Titans 88
New Rockford-Sheyenne High School 88
Dakota Prairie High School 78
North Star 75
Benson County 74
Rolla High School 65
Griggs County Central High School 62
Warwick High School 60
Westhope/Newburg 60
Rolette/Wolford Comets 58
Drake/Anamoose Raiders 58
Lakota High School 57
Midkota 49

Region 3B (2.7:1)
Bowman County High School 130
Garrison High School 119
Beach High School 115
Hettinger/Scranton 114
Wilton-Wing 97
Washburn High School 89
New Salem-Almont High School 88
Richardton-Taylor High School 82
Glen Ullin/Hebron 77
Turtle Lake-Mercer/McClusky 72
New England High School 70
Flasher 66
Mott-Regent HS 59
Grant County HS 58
Solen High School 55
Max High School 53
Underwood High School 51
Center-Stanton HS 48

Region 4B (4.5:1)
Velva High School 145
Nedrose High School 136
Tioga High School 120
South Prairie High School 111
Divide County High School 102
Mohall-Lansford-Sherwood High School 100
Surrey High School 94
Trenton High School 89
Glenburn High School 86
Ray High School 82
Kenmare High School 77
Lewis & Clark High School - Berthold 67
Parshall High School 64
Bowbells/Burke Central 62
Our Redeemer's HS 59
Mandaree High School 56
Alexander High School 53
White Shield High School 50
Powers Lake High School 49
Lewis & Clark, North Shore 36
Williston Trinity Christian High School 32


CLASS A SECOND POLL
Monday, December 23rd

1. Four Winds-Minnewaukan (13) 1-0 165
2. Hillsboro-Central Valley (3) 2-0 152
3. Rugby (1) 3-0 131
4. Shiloh Christian 2-0 120
5. Beulah 2-1 45
6. Dickinson Trinity 3-1 40
7. Langdon/Edmore/Munich 3-0 37
8. Thompson 2-1
9. Oak Grove 1-1
10. Stanley 3-1

CLASS B SECOND POLL
Monday, December 23rd

1. Linton-HMB 3-0 70
2. Richland 2-0 87
3. Enderlin 3-0 24
4. New Rockford-Sheyenne (2-1)
5. Powers Lake (3-0)
6. Hatton-Northwood (2-1)
7. Ray (2-1)
8. St. John (3-1)
9. Edgeley-Kulm-Montpelier (2-0)
10. New Salem-Almont (2-0)

[Sportsrube]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the NDHSAA will never go for a 3 Class system for basketball and volleyball unless we have a major, major changing of the guard at the NDHSAA. I'm not talking about Board members, I'm talking about the management.

[Flip]

who is management?

[Flying Wallenda]

Has any proposed 3 class system received a majority of the vote of member schools?

[Sportsrube]

who is management?

The Executive and Associate Directors.

[Mandan]

Has any proposed 3 class system received a majority of the vote of member schools?

No, I believe the closest vote ever was in 1990, when the proposal lost by around 5 votes. When that vote failed, Trinity and the old North Star conference teams started moving down to class B.

[justplayalready]

Devils advocate question here; wouldn't a secondary goal of this be-to break up the co ops that were created to compete with the metro & big B's? There seem to be a few teams in middle class that could be broken up and go on their own as a B team if they didn't have to compete against any metro or big B's???

To me any multiple class system for BBall would have to be treated as football in the sense that it always being evaluated and changing. Not sure the answer would be in that...

[classB4ever]

Devils advocate question here; wouldn't a secondary goal of this be-to break up the co ops that were created to compete with the metro & big B's? There seem to be a few teams in middle class that could be broken up and go on their own as a B team if they didn't have to compete against any metro or big B's???

To me any multiple class system for BBall would have to be treated as football in the sense that it always being evaluated and changing. Not sure the answer would be in that...

"If you build it, they will come."

[Flip]

I posted part of this in the region 2 thread, but North Border beat Grafton last night. When is the last time that has happened? Hatton-Northwood also beat Grafton, I know it's been a long time (if ever) since that's happened.

I've often wondered on the girls side when was the last time some of the smaller schools beat Grafton too.

[Flip]

What years was Mike Hanson HC at Grafton?

[packers21]

What years was Mike Hanson HC at Grafton?

2005-2012 I believe

[Thundersnow]

The NDHSAA just came out with some pretty big changes for football classifications again. Is there any chance these changes spark some real change for adding a third class to basketball? It just baffles me how quickly and often change happens in football, but almost never in basketball.

[The Schwab]

The NDHSAA just came out with some pretty big changes for football classifications again. Is there any chance these changes spark some real change for adding a third class to basketball? It just baffles me how quickly and often change happens in football, but almost never in basketball.

A quick answer to your original question, No. It will take schools looking to branch out on their own and form a different association for activities to get a 3rd class for basketball.

[Sorenson23]

Do you think if they go to a super region format; instead of a third class for basketball would it change any? You can't have this current format forever, as some of the smaller towns are having a tough time fieldly even a JV team something to change for the better.

I'm all for a super region format or a third class of basketball.

[Flip]

Why would a super region help?

[Run4Fun2009]

Why would a super region help?

It wouldn't help in the discussion of 3-classes.