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Postby Rivershark » Fri May 13, 2016 7:39 pm

There is talk going around that Grafton has petitioned to move down from the A Division to the B Division. According to the Grafton coach on a radio show,the request has already been approved. Grafton has I believe 5 players coming back from college this season with one of them being from St. Thomas. What could possibly persuade any committee to allow this? Smaller towns have to use Babe Ruth players to fill their rosters and Grafton has half of their team coming back from college. Doesn't enrollment numbers have anything to do with what division you play in?
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Re: LegionBaseball

Postby madseason » Sun May 15, 2016 5:39 am

If they are going to have a three classes then Grafton should be in "A" no doubt about it. What was the Grafton team record last year in A? If I remember they did quite well. #1 seed east region, won East region tournament.
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Re: LegionBaseball

Postby madseason » Thu May 19, 2016 11:09 pm

Grafton has won 9 straight region tournaments in B. Maybe High School should go to 3 class? No wonder kids in smaller towns don't even care to play baseball!! Maybe make A bigger? add towns like PRFL, Carrington etc.. We need to figure a way to get more kids playing IMO! I know it sounds like "give every kid a trophy" but it's more like give every kid at least a chance.
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Postby NDPREP » Fri May 20, 2016 9:01 am

I think the 3 class legion system is wrong and high school definitely needs to stay 2. The problem for small towns and baseball is you need 9 kids not 5 like basketball, and you need 5 kids who can pitch and throw strieks otherwise you are in for a bad season. Since on any given night you probably will throw 3-4 kids with double headers. Baseball is more about programs and development not just teams, a lot of smaller areas don't have the consistency of coaches that other more well established places have. Look at the traditionally good programs and you'll notice the coaches have been around for a while and if they had a coaching change the guy that took over probably had been part of the program for a while.

I agree we need to get more kids playing but the answer isn't to get another state tournament that no one is going to care about, the great thing about the b tournament in both basketball and baseball is it is normally a challenge to get there, it is a special experience. I think Grafton may have a run for its money with a good park river program developing up there. Hopefully the coaches stick around.
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Re: LegionBaseball

Postby madseason » Tue May 24, 2016 7:58 am

Then maybe legion should be 20 and under? Maybe then some of the smaller town teams wouldn't have to use as many Babe Ruth players. Pretty tough to beat a town like Grafton who always has super senior players back, when half of your team is Babe Ruth Players. I think Grafton has 5 super seniors back this year.
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Re: LegionBaseball

Postby B-oldtimer » Wed May 25, 2016 9:46 am

No Grafton needs to stay at the division A level. NDPREP your wrong we need to separate larger towns from smaller towns and yes its not going to fix everything but it sure helps for the smaller towns to keep getting kids out for baseball. If you look at baseball even at high school ranks you just see the same couple of teams coming out of each region each year for the baseball state tournament. I look at Regions 3 and 4 which I know something about in Region 3 Carrington has gone last four out five years. The exception had been Midkota conglomerate of many schools which in total numbers equals or exceeds Carrington in Numbers. This past year we lost Dakota Prairie which became part of the Midkota group. I am also betting next year Lakota doesn't field a team with Edmore going with Langdon in sports. Lakota the smaller school its hard to get kids out for baseball and especially when your competing with under age kids against powers like Carrington and Midkota. Now region 4 very similar there with Grafton going at least last 5 years and looks like Park River has chance to break that streak this year. Langdon has competed with Grafton but just doesn't have depth to keep up with Grafton in past. The other teams in the region have struggled and we have continued to see more cooping together but this is death of baseball then when schools like Cavalier, North Border, and St. Thomas group can't put teams out there anymore compete with Grafton. Pretty soon it will be just Grafton and one or two other schools with baseball you can't have larger towns dominate because nobody likes to compete if you don't feel you have a chance. Here's another example of this Devils Lake has struggled to keep baseball alive in larger town but they have had to compete against larger towns where they have hadn't much success. So you see what it has done to there numbers of kids wanting to play baseball. This is why you need a balance competition or your going to kill off sport until there are just a few left. Its different today kids and parents are not going invest there time unless they can see some reward or chance of having some success.
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Re: LegionBaseball

Postby NDPREP » Wed May 25, 2016 12:16 pm

Giving everyone a trophy isn't the answer, when DL was down in A during the summer they couldn't field a team either. It's not lack of a chance to go to state that is killing these programs it's no one with a passion for it in those towns. You need people with vision and dedication at all levels so the kids have fun and stick it out. If your babe Ruth teams can't get a coach who makes it fun none of those kids will stick around. Parents these days are more than willing to let their kids not play and save a few extra weekends for the lake.

Just to reiterate more chances at state is not going to save baseball, finding people with a passion and making the game fun will save baseball. You can always tell those programs by how their dugouts at engaged and how much the kids enjoy being around each other. One other detriment is that small towns having co-ops will always have a disadvantage since the kids aren't around each other near as much.
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Postby B-oldtimer » Wed May 25, 2016 2:25 pm

Yes you can tell it in the dugouts that a passion in some of the programs. But have you been around small programs where you get enough kids out for baseball but you loose majority of your games especially when playing teams like Grafton. Where they have had large numbers out for baseball and in past where they robbed from smaller towns next to them because kids wanted to play on winner. Its not all about going to state but keeping playing level similar. Pretty hard to compete when Grafton is playing mostly senior players with several college level players. Now you go to smaller teams maybe have 3 or 4 seniors including college returnee's and add in several first and second year players and then add in couple kids you bring up from Babe Ruth program to make up your team. This is pretty typical small town class b baseball team and now your competing against experienced team like grafton or some other larger class b towns and you see level of competition is not at same level. I don't care how you run program when you have limited numbers it becomes struggle to compete and keep good attitude or build program if you are constantly getting beat and year after year the program suffers. Devils Lake has had this and you just don't turn a program around in year it takes years to grow the numbers again. It not all about state champions but keeping the teams at balanced level of competition but if you keep two classes your only going to end up with here in Northeast North Dakota with 3 to 4 teams at best. Already you have Pembina County without any representative, Cando has been struggling to field a team, Midway/Minto also has been struggling, Rolette and Rolla no longer have team those kids are going to Bottineau, Langdon has had trouble with numbers they have had enough players but not anything exceptional, Park River is up again but just few years ago they struggled to put a team on field, and Larimore is now having numbers issues with Babe Ruth I understand so that will reflect soon at upper levels. If you ask people in any of these towns if you experience to much loosing it becomes very difficult to keep program going and your numbers there to field a team. Also if distance gets to be to far to play then you begin to loose the kids at lower levels also until whole program is pretty much dead. The times have changed and a lot of people don't understand the problems of keeping program going with limited number of kids. This has happened in last 10 years or so but just go to schools and see how enrollments have declined in rural areas especially here in North East North Dakota. Also level of play is going to decline too because there are not the kids to play with or against from very young age. I just wish people could see how things have changed and also how attitudes of kids and parents have changed it not like it was 10 years ago and I don't think it coming back.
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Re: LegionBaseball

Postby NDPREP » Wed May 25, 2016 3:46 pm

One thing no one wants to talk about is their rules, most of the towns you listed field HS teams. Why not legion? Partly it's summer break but also less kids get to play in the summer, no courtesy runners and no re entry in legion. In my experience it's hard to put a kid in permanently unless they are a really solid player. Re entry allows to play younger kids and if they let the other team back in your veterans can close it out. That needs to be explored IMO.
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